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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 20, 2015 at 12:35 pm
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Drich Wrote:what's not to understand?
Gay creatures can not reproduce. No reproduction= no gay genes in the gene pool.
That's like saying: Infertile creatures can not reproduce. No reproduction = no infertile genes in the gene pool.
Which is obviously bullshit, there are genes that make creatures infertile.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 20, 2015 at 1:25 pm
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 20, 2015 at 1:35 pm
(October 19, 2015 at 1:28 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (October 19, 2015 at 9:28 am)Drich Wrote: Because again if they were genetically hardwired to only find the same sex attractive their genetics would die with them in just a few generations, million of years ago. That would mean a pair of gay birds, or lions, wolves, ect are not examples of a species propagating the illusive 'gay gene', but the opposite. It proves that gay animals have sex because they chose to have gay sex for whatever reason. The same holds true with social creatures as well. Again, even if they help the group survive, they themselves would not be able to reproduce the prominent gene that makes a creature gay. Which again over time/Millions of years this trait would be bred out of the gene pool.
False dichotomy. There are more possibilities beyond it's genetically hardwired or it's a choice. Bzzzt. Fallacy.
Ahhh... No.
IDK, Mrs. Mungandur.. But here in 'Merica "Whatever reason" would suggest to most that their is more than any reason listed. The reasons listed being just two of (Whatever reason) All I was looking to do in that statement was elimate the one reason that hinges on a faith based 'gay gene.'
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 20, 2015 at 1:56 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 11:13 am)Qwest Wrote: Can't pick and choose. Jesus said, "I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it". If he didn't come to abolish it then you better start following it all or figure out that you believe he fulfilled it and died for ALL sins and none are worthy of being judged. You have one other option... Figure out it is BS
You do understand that "The law" includes the laws concening attonement as well as the moral, social and ritual aspects?
If so then you understand "Full fillment of the law" means to complete the laws of atonement because they are the only aspect of the law left open ended/rituals having to be performed for the forgivness of sin.
So according to Christ Nothing goes away, He makes the laws harder/impossible to follow, which takes us/Christians to a place where we need to be in a state of continual/automatic atonement. Which according to everything after your quoted passage in the bible is what Christianity is all about. More over Paul in the book of romans explains in great detail that the whole law is always active, however we are no longer bound to the law as our sole means of righteousness. That righteousness comes from our attonement through Christ.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 20, 2015 at 1:59 pm
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(October 20, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Evie Wrote: Drich Wrote:what's not to understand?
Gay creatures can not reproduce. No reproduction= no gay genes in the gene pool.
That's like saying: Infertile creatures can not reproduce. No reproduction = no infertile genes in the gene pool.
Which is obviously bullshit, there are genes that make creatures infertile.

It completely depends on whether or not that gene is active or recessive and the triggers for the gene(s).
With Homosexuality (Kinsey/6) the argument is that one is gay from birth, and can not be aroused by the oppsite sex at all, which would mean their genes would indeed be lost to time.
or at least dimishing as with childhood cancer not increasing.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 20, 2015 at 5:47 pm
(October 12, 2015 at 6:36 am)bennyboy Wrote: (October 12, 2015 at 3:34 am)ronedee Wrote: Homosexuality is a mental illness, its been medically proven study after study. Ru-heally? Then you should be able easily to provide, what? A hundred? A dozen? A few really strong ones?
Nah. Let's start with just one. Show us one study that demonstrates that homosexuality is a mental illness. Cuz if you can't, you're lying, and liars make baby Jesus cry.
No he didn't say it was a mental illness! I am straight but I have spent a lot of time and energy fighting this battle. I have been around long enough to see people begin to die of a disease that we had no idea what it was and worked (proudly) all the way up until I was the driving force that made my tiny, red, homophobic county give in and begin to issue marriage liscenses to ALL couples.
I have had teens and young men/women cry on my shoulder because of bigots like this and let me tell you something... If you think that this is what your "God" wants you to do then understand that it is why the youth today are starting to want NOTHING to do with him! Many of us that are older don't believe because of research and what we have learned. The youth simply don't want him because they have decided that they don't want the world of hate that people like you offer. They want a world of love and acceptance. If you want to blame anyone for the lack of faith in the world today I would suggest you look in the mirror.
Thankfully the majority of the country understands that LOVE IS LOVE and we are happy about that. I will not ask you to show proof of your beliefs because it will be some crazy conversion therapy type of scientist who knows nothing anyway
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts~
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 20, 2015 at 5:49 pm
Whether the gay gene(s) are dormant or active... that would still be a matter of genetics.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 20, 2015 at 5:58 pm
Drich Wrote:what's not to understand?
Gay creatures can not reproduce. No reproduction= no gay genes in the gene pool.
That's quite .... retarded.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 20, 2015 at 5:59 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 1:56 pm)Drich Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 11:13 am)Qwest Wrote: Can't pick and choose. Jesus said, "I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it". If he didn't come to abolish it then you better start following it all or figure out that you believe he fulfilled it and died for ALL sins and none are worthy of being judged. You have one other option... Figure out it is BS
You do understand that "The law" includes the laws concening attonement as well as the moral, social and ritual aspects?
If so then you understand "Full fillment of the law" means to complete the laws of atonement because they are the only aspect of the law left open ended/rituals having to be performed for the forgivness of sin.
So according to Christ Nothing goes away, He makes the laws harder/impossible to follow, which takes us/Christians to a place where we need to be in a state of continual/automatic atonement. Which according to everything after your quoted passage in the bible is what Christianity is all about. More over Paul in the book of romans explains in great detail that the whole law is always active, however we are no longer bound to the law as our sole means of righteousness. That righteousness comes from our attonement through Christ.
Yes, I do understand that. Then 1. Stop quoting the Old Testament. 2. Let's follow Paul and grab some slaves, concubines, never let women in the churches,... Ohh and don't forget... Thieves, robbers, adulter's (even in the mind), drunkerds and the greedy all rank evenly with these homosexuals you are bashing.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts~
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 20, 2015 at 6:02 pm
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(October 20, 2015 at 5:59 pm)Qwest Wrote: Yes, I do understand that. Then 1. Stop quoting the Old Testament. 2. Let's follow Paul and grab some slaves, concubines, never let women in the churches,... Ohh and don't forget... Thieves, robbers, adulter's (even in the mind), drunkerds and the greedy all rank evenly with these homosexuals you are bashing.
Not to speak of the old book, but people who eat shellfish, cut their hair or wear cloth of two different fabrics are an abomination in the eyes of the lord too. Actually on the same page.
Wonder if Drippy does any of this.
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