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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 19, 2015 at 5:05 pm
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(October 19, 2015 at 4:57 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (October 19, 2015 at 4:48 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: well they wouldnt let him finish they started throwing rocks at him the interrogation came to a halt midpoint
before abraham there was God ... they did not know God and he did know God they were talking about abraham and jesus said before abraham there was God . he had a relationship with God but he never said he was God just the opposite in everything he said
The point of your OP was that Jesus never claimed to be god. But he did, right then. You keep adding your interpretation (for which I can think of no scriptural validation) and excess verbosity to distract from the fact that John 8:58 invalidates your claim.
jesus never said that he was "I AM" , jesus said " before abraham , I AM (which is God)"
jesus did not say before abraham he existed as I AM
before abraham there was God that is all he said ... nothing about him being I AM ....
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today  Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 19, 2015 at 5:14 pm
(October 19, 2015 at 5:05 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 19, 2015 at 4:57 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: The point of your OP was that Jesus never claimed to be god. But he did, right then. You keep adding your interpretation (for which I can think of no scriptural validation) and excess verbosity to distract from the fact that John 8:58 invalidates your claim.
jesus never said that he was "I AM" , jesus said " before abraham , I AM (which is God)"
jesus did not say before abraham he existed as I AM
before abraham there was God that is all he said ... nothing about him being I AM ....
No matter how many times you reinsert your interpretation, that's not what he said. 
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 19, 2015 at 5:17 pm
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If I recall correctly, there is no mention of Jesus actually being God until in the gospel of John. That's dated as the last one written, so it's basically a retcon. The way Jesus acts and talks in the other three gospels does not gel with the idea he is God.
Not that the idea makes a fucking bit of sense anyway.
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 19, 2015 at 5:24 pm
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(October 19, 2015 at 5:14 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (October 19, 2015 at 5:05 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: jesus never said that he was "I AM" , jesus said " before abraham , I AM (which is God)"
jesus did not say before abraham he existed as I AM
before abraham there was God that is all he said ... nothing about him being I AM ....
No matter how many times you reinsert your interpretation, that's not what he said.
im not inserting any interpretation at all just stating exactly what jesus said " before abraham , God ( I AM ) "
what jesus did not say was " before abraham i existed as I AM " (assuming that jesus meant that he existed before abraham and that he was I AM is interpreting and adding to what he said) jesus didnt say that he was I AM no matter how much you want him to have said that he didnt
repent christian for telling lies about jesus 
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[ m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw [i]it and was glad.”[/i]
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” ( Gods name not his )
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 19, 2015 at 5:31 pm
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October 19, 2015 at 5:36 pm
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(October 19, 2015 at 5:31 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (October 19, 2015 at 5:24 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: im not inserting any interpretation at all jesus said " before abraham , God ( I AM ) "
did not say " before abraham i existed as I AM " jesus didnt say that he was I AM no matter how much you want him to have said that he didnt
repent christian for telling lies about jesus
Did you just call me a Christian!?!? 
lol sorry you just are defending the idea of jesus as God and that he said he was God so i thought you were . jesus was talking about his relationship with God and how he knew God and the jews did not know God . didnt say he had a relationship with himself and he was God . he said you all dont know God 'your God is abraham , thats not my God ----- before abraham there was God (who he knows)
" before Abraham was, I AM "
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 19, 2015 at 5:55 pm
(October 19, 2015 at 5:36 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 19, 2015 at 5:31 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: Did you just call me a Christian!?!?
lol sorry you just are defending the idea of jesus as God and that he said he was God so i thought you were . jesus was talking about his relationship with God and how he knew God and the jews did not know God . didnt say he had a relationship with himself and he was God . he said your God is abraham , not my God ----- before abraham there was God (who he knows)
The ol' religious views thingy says Gwynnite - which ain't Christian. And I don't quite understand your stance of God/yes Religions/no when your theology entirely looks like interpretative Christianity.
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 19, 2015 at 6:11 pm
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(October 19, 2015 at 5:55 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (October 19, 2015 at 5:36 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: lol sorry you just are defending the idea of jesus as God and that he said he was God so i thought you were . jesus was talking about his relationship with God and how he knew God and the jews did not know God . didnt say he had a relationship with himself and he was God . he said your God is abraham , not my God ----- before abraham there was God (who he knows)
The ol' religious views thingy says Gwynnite - which ain't Christian. And I don't quite understand your stance of God/yes Religions/no when your theology entirely looks like interpretative Christianity.
i do believe there existed a human named jesus who had a relationship with God and he was inspired by God . i probabally would believe in the Christianity that existed 2000ish years ago before christianity turned jesus into God and changed . but religions always have a way of doing that christianity of the future will look different than the christianity of today.
what is a Gwynnite anyways is that a real religion?
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 19, 2015 at 6:22 pm
(October 19, 2015 at 6:11 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 19, 2015 at 5:55 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: The ol' religious views thingy says Gwynnite - which ain't Christian. And I don't quite understand your stance of God/yes Religions/no when your theology entirely looks like interpretative Christianity.
i do believe there existed a human named jesus who had a relationship with God and he was inspired by God . i probabally would believe in the Christianity that existed 2000ish years ago before christianity turned jesus into God.
and what is a Gwynnite anyways is that a real religion?
"Gwynnite" reflects my ridiculous obsession with Gwyneth Paltrow.
My take on Christianity is that Paul invented an idealized character to embody Holy Spirit as an intermediary between the mortal and the divine. It makes sense to me that later followers of the nascent cult imbued their hero with such commentary. Anyone invested with Holy Spirit is essentially god.
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 19, 2015 at 7:05 pm
(October 19, 2015 at 6:22 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (October 19, 2015 at 6:11 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: i do believe there existed a human named jesus who had a relationship with God and he was inspired by God . i probabally would believe in the Christianity that existed 2000ish years ago before christianity turned jesus into God.
and what is a Gwynnite anyways is that a real religion?
"Gwynnite" reflects my ridiculous obsession with Gwyneth Paltrow.
My take on Christianity is that Paul invented an idealized character to embody Holy Spirit as an intermediary between the mortal and the divine. It makes sense to me that later followers of the nascent cult imbued their hero with such commentary. Anyone invested with Holy Spirit is essentially god.
i hope my sister comes and comments on that topic she has a lot of opinions about Paul doesnt think it shouldve been included and ruined the NT and christianity, she knows the Bible backwards and forwards read it through more times than she can remember when she used to be a christian , and would probabally agree with you on that one . i told her i started this thread so she will probabally be popping in here later at some point .
what is the nascent cult ? i never heard of it
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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