Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?

[Silver]

It is quite logical to us, but when have theist relied upon logic in any way in accordance with the bible? Certainly, they claim to use logic elsewhere in their lives, and this does seem to be the truth, and the real question is why are they not making comparisons of logic rather than differentiating to the point where the religion receives a pass.

[robvalue]

I've even heard some people say logic doesn't apply to God, and such nonsense.

Although how you can come to the conclusion logic doesn't apply to something without using logic, I don't know.

[John V]

that is what split christianity with judaism the assertion that jesus was God ... that is what landed jesus on the cross is the misunderstanding by the jews that jesus was claiming to be God thats what the jews took issue with .

Why did they think he was claiming to be god?

if they were expecting God incarnate dont you think they wouldve been welcoming to the concept instead of angry ?

They would have been welcoming to a divine messiah who endorsed them. They were angry because Jesus said things like:

Matt 23
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

...which is just one of numerous charges against them.

[jenny1972]

that is what split christianity with judaism the assertion that jesus was God ... that is what landed jesus on the cross is the misunderstanding by the jews that jesus was claiming to be God thats what the jews took issue with .

Why did they think he was claiming to be god?

if they were expecting God incarnate dont you think they wouldve been welcoming to the concept instead of angry ?

They would have been welcoming to a divine messiah who endorsed them. They were angry because Jesus said things like:

Matt 23
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

...which is just one of numerous charges against them.

because jesus told some jews that their God was abraham and he had a relationship with God and they did not they just had a relationship with abraham , and said before abraham was I AM (his God) ... the jews used this as evidence that he thought he was God . jesus never said before abraham he existed as I AM

The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense.  Paul  invented the idea that jesus was God incarnate + Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

[John V]

What did Jesus mean by that claim?

[jenny1972]

What did Jesus mean by that claim?

54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw [i]it and was glad.”[/i]
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” ( Gods name not his )

jesus was telling the jews you say He is your God but you do not know Him . I know Him (see jesus making a clear distinction between himself and God even here in this very sentence ?) jesus did not say before abraham was he existed as I AM . jesus said before abraham was , I AM ( which is the name of God ) ... so " before abraham was , God " before abraham existed God existed

[John V]

What did Jesus mean by that claim?

54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw [i]it and was glad.”[/i]
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” ( Gods name not his )

jesus was telling the jews you say He is your God but you do not know Him . I know Him (see jesus making a clear distinction between himself and God even here in this very sentence ?) jesus did not say before abraham was he existed as I AM . jesus said before abraham was , I AM ( which is the name of God ) ... so " before abraham was , God " before abraham existed God existed

  Nice try, but come on...

[jenny1972]

54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw [i]it and was glad.”[/i]
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” ( Gods name not his )

jesus was telling the jews you say He is your God but you do not know Him . I know Him (see jesus making a clear distinction between himself and God even here in this very sentence ?) jesus did not say before abraham was he existed as I AM . jesus said before abraham was , I AM ( which is the name of God ) ... so " before abraham was , God " before abraham existed God existed

  Nice try, but come on...

what do you mean come on ? jesus said " before abraham was ( before abraham existed ) , I AM "  ( I AM is God ) so essentially he was saying ' before abraham there was God '

jesus did not say that HE existed before abraham and that he was "I AM" , before that was said he made a clear distinction between him and God .... It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word.

[John V]

what do you mean come on ? jesus said " before abraham was ( before abraham existed ) , I AM "  ( I AM is God ) so essentially he was saying ' before abraham there was God '

What I mean is obvious - your interpetation makes no sense in the context, i.e. coming right after:

57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

[jenny1972]

54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw [i]it and was glad.”[/i]
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” ( Gods name not his )

jesus was telling the jews you say He is your God but you do not know Him . I know Him (see jesus making a clear distinction between himself and God even here in this very sentence ?) jesus did not say before abraham was he existed as I AM . jesus said before abraham was , I AM ( which is the name of God ) ... so " before abraham was , God " before abraham existed God existed

  Nice try, but come on...

what do you mean come on ? jesus said " before abraham was ( before abraham existed ) , I AM "  ( I AM is God ) so essentially he was saying ' before abraham there was God '

jesus did not say that HE existed before abraham and that he was "I AM" , before that was said he made a clear distinction between him and God .... It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word.