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Do you think we'll ever discover where the universe came from?
October 24, 2015 at 2:59 am
@Title.
There are many scientific theories, many that fit within the parameters of physics, yet they just aren't backed by any evidence.
The only way I think we will ever get evidence to prove any one persons theory on the universe's origin is if we get observable/testable scientific data. For example Newton's laws of gravity, even though it was just a theory, we were able to see the planets, and see this actually work. We can't observe anything outside of this universe, if there is anything, so I don't really think we will ever have anything more than theories.
What are your thoughts though? I know it's a common question in physics, and astronomy, or whatever, just curious to hear different answers.
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RE: Do you think we'll ever discover where the universe came from?
October 24, 2015 at 3:04 am
A scientific theory is much more than a mere theory.
Any scientific theory is automatically more credible than something concocted by an ignorant religious mind.
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RE: Do you think we'll ever discover where the universe came from?
October 24, 2015 at 3:09 am
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(October 24, 2015 at 3:04 am)Kitan Wrote: A scientific theory is much more than a mere theory.
Any scientific theory is automatically more credible than something concocted by an ignorant religious mind. I wasn't even considering religion for a reason.
I'm saying that a theory doesn't usually gain credibility unless it can be tested, or at least demonstrated in some shape or form, observed. Any theory about the universe's origin would most likely be unobservable, untestable, the math may work, but you can't really get any data about anything besides this one universe.
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RE: Do you think we'll ever discover where the universe came from?
October 24, 2015 at 3:20 am
I don't think we can ever know.
Maybe the only way to find out how it all works is to be looking and studying from the outside.
Since we are in it, of it and are it, our universe may as well be a water molecule, and us pondering was "wet" feels like.
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RE: Do you think we'll ever discover where the universe came from?
October 24, 2015 at 3:23 am
(October 24, 2015 at 3:20 am)ignoramus Wrote: I don't think we can ever know.
Maybe the only way to find out how it all works is to be looking and studying from the outside.
Since we are in it, of it and are it, our universe may as well be a water molecule, and us pondering was "wet" feels like. That's kind of what I felt like too. Since we are in it, we can never know what's beyond it. I think others have different opinions though, other than religiously related, so that's my reason for asking this question. Just curious  .
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RE: Do you think we'll ever discover where the universe came from?
October 24, 2015 at 3:33 am
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We don't know if it came from anywhere for sure, it may have just always existed in some shape or form.
If it did come from something, then it's not the universe but just a sub-reality. That would still leave the same questions about the parent reality.
I don't think it's likely we will ever be fully able to answer these questions. But I believe we'll get closer.
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RE: Do you think we'll ever discover where the universe came from?
October 24, 2015 at 4:04 am
The universe came from Amazon. I thought everyone already knew this. It was a large order so, you know, free shipping.
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RE: Do you think we'll ever discover where the universe came from?
October 24, 2015 at 4:44 am
(October 24, 2015 at 2:59 am)heatiosrs Wrote: @Title.
There are many scientific theories, many that fit within the parameters of physics, yet they just aren't backed by any evidence.
The only way I think we will ever get evidence to prove any one persons theory on the universe's origin is if we get observable/testable scientific data. For example Newton's laws of gravity, even though it was just a theory, we were able to see the planets, and see this actually work. We can't observe anything outside of this universe, if there is anything, so I don't really think we will ever have anything more than theories.
What are your thoughts though? I know it's a common question in physics, and astronomy, or whatever, just curious to hear different answers.
I think you are right in principle, (though I also disagree with your use of theory when you actually mean hypothesis or conjecture.)
It also depends on what exactly you mean. It is quite plausible that we will somehow discover things about the mechanisms of the big bang which will push back the frontier a bit further conceptually, if not in time (it is not clear that the concept as you know it still is applicable). But here's the thing, I can't imagine a scientific breakthrough after which you can't still ask "and why is *that* there?".
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RE: Do you think we'll ever discover where the universe came from?
October 24, 2015 at 4:50 am
I don't see how it could possible for anyone to know for certain.
No reason to believe magic was the cause though...magic's never been the answer to anything. Ever.
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RE: Do you think we'll ever discover where the universe came from?
October 24, 2015 at 4:56 am
Quote:But here's the thing, I can't imagine a scientific breakthrough after which you can't still ask "and why is *that* there?".
That's quite possibly the best encapsulation of scientific inquiry I've ever seen.
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