How humans are "slaves", and how that leads to the existence of God.

[ignoramus]

double post

[robvalue]

If God wanted unthinking slaves, then he should have made unthinking slaves.

If he gives me the ability to think, I'm going to use it.

[GrandizerII]

If God wanted unthinking slaves, then he should have made unthinking slaves.

If he gives me the ability to think, I'm going to use it.

Just because you have it doesn't mean you should use it! God is testing if you will use your thinking ability against him or not.

[ignoramus]

Yes, life is one big fucking test!
A proving ground only for the next real permanent event!

Guys, and we thought our sim programmed by Kevin was crazy!!!
We got nothing on the religios ...These guys are absolute experts at making shit up!

[WinterHold]

Irrational

It's the default option. Until you present clear evidence for the existence of God, atheism is the reasonable option to go with.
Keep in mind that atheism means lack of belief in God, not the belief that no God exists.

What made it a default puzzles me.

So... escaping hell. Hell that God sends us to. So you're basically threatening me on god's behalf; my big brother will beat you up if you don't do what he says (which just happens to be what I'm telling you to do). That's it? That's your argument for why I should join a religion?

We should do what God says or he will punish us. His authority is beyond question. There is no discussion or reasoning with him. He will do what he wants to do through force.

That is a fascist dictator. I'm surprised you can't see that. Are you OK with this?

I'm not interested in bowing to dictators. I'll live my life using my own brain to decide what is right and wrong, and I won't demean myself by worshipping anyone. A being that demands worship is certainly not worthy of it, anyway. If he punishes me for living a good life, and putting the happiness and wellbeing of people and animals that I can be sure are actually real above his petty demands for attention, then he is an evil egotistical being.

I don't trust any being like that, anyway. Anyone who rules through force and just does whatever the fuck they want can change their mind on a whim and chuck me in the bin even after I spent my whole life sucking up to them. If he has a shred of goodness, he will see that I'm using my brain to live my life in a way I consider good.

Maybe he'll respect me for having the balls to stand up to him, huh?

Even I don't escape the warning he gave; in other words I'm just a broadcaster for his message. Remember that I remind myself with it all day.
In the day of judgement, actually we'll run away from each other, to each of us a whole burden to worry about.

In terms of "doing" what he wants only; that's a fact. It's a rule of the universe anyhow.
I never agreed to marijuana being banned. But the strong prohibits it through brute force, I never liked living in the place I'm in, but if I try to cross the borders the strong will kill me.

These are the rules of the universe. It wasn't meant to flow the way we want. Never.

Worshipping god is something, worshiping other "stuff" is something else. When God creates, it's not like a human when he creates. When God sets rules, it's not like humans setting rules.

The word dictator cannot be applied to him.

How you'll be judged, is something up to God and not me, all I can do as a believer, is to warn from the day we get judged. Either to heaven, either to hell.

Then in this life, work to gain my rank. Hoping that my God will accept me.

[robvalue]

Err...

OK, so he's a dictator but you don't call him a dictator. It's only fair to warn you that you sound like a totally broken person trying to justify the atrocities your cruel master is inflicting upon you. Just some outside perspective, as I'm concerned for you. (See Stockholm Syndrome.) The fact that this master doesn't exist (or at least not the way you imagine it) makes it even more sad.

There's no evidence any of this stuff you say is true, so why you'd actually want it to be true is beyond me. And since your master isn't here, it's you threatening me with all this stuff. Obey or pay. Does that bother you, that you're openly threatening strangers on a forum? And you're doing so for your own gain, to try and earn points.

And it's you telling me what God wants, too. How am I meant to distinguish between what you say and the different stuff every other theist comes to me with? None of you have any evidence, and you're clearly not in contact with the same being. If you are, your communication lines are extremely poor quality.

What do you mean "doing" what he wants is a fact? Do you mean I'm doing it whether I like it or not? Whatever I do, that's what he wants?

He needs to get an Xbox and stop using real beings in his weird games.

[GrandizerII]

Irrational

It's the default option. Until you present clear evidence for the existence of God, atheism is the reasonable option to go with.
Keep in mind that atheism means lack of belief in God, not the belief that no God exists.

What made it a default puzzles me.

Do you believe in cyclopes? Or do you lack belief in them until clear evidence has been provided that they actually do?

[The Grand Nudger]

Once upon a time, islam was the shining beacon of a world plunged into intellectual and actual darkness.  There was a notion that all people could be united by the umma, with it's functional legal system and progressive social values.  There was an idea, that the void could be re-civilized.  

This is all that's left of that.

[robvalue]

Irrational

It's the default option. Until you present clear evidence for the existence of God, atheism is the reasonable option to go with.
Keep in mind that atheism means lack of belief in God, not the belief that no God exists.

What made it a default puzzles me.

The default position for any claim should be a lack of belief. Otherwise, you believe everything you are told that can't immediately be proved wrong. Which is preferable?

The claim, "There is a god" should be treated with disbelief by default. As no evidence has yet emerged that the claim is true, continued disbelief is the logical position.

The claim "There is no god" should also be treated with disbelief by default. This puts you in the position of weak atheism when combined with the above.

Some may consider that the extraordinary nature of god, how it doesn't correlate at all with reality we observe, and how there is absolutely no evidence where you would expect to find it, to be enough to believe this second claim. Then you're in the position of strong atheism.

Some may say the concept is so ill-defined that statements about it are essentially meaningless (ignostic).

You're probably a strong atheist with respect to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's no different.

[abaris]

What made it a default puzzles me.

If you look at what we know about the earth and the universe, it is the only default position. Because a humanocentric, geocentric creator doesn't fit into that picture.

If you don't accept scientific knowledge, you're simply plugging your ears and go lalala, I can't hear you. Nothing, absolutely nothing points to creation.