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Given a chance would you kill baby Hitler?
RE: Given a chance would you kill baby Hitler?
(November 15, 2015 at 3:03 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote: The so called "Sichelschnitt" certainly sruvived contact. It worked even better than Manstein had expected.

Perhaps the Allies simply worked worse than expected? 

As for Dunkirk there are lots of contradictory explanations about that from Hitler's own WWI recollection that the terrain in the area was unsuitable for tank warfare to the very probable suggestion that the idea originated with Von Rundstedt and not Hitler.  German infantry divisions largely had horse-drawn artillery and did not move anywhere near as fast as the panzer divisions.  Re-grouping the panzers for a drive against France while giving the infantry time to move up their heavy guns does make some sense.   Add in Goering's bullshit about the Luftwaffe's ability to prevent an evacuation  and you end up with a situation of counting your chickens before the eggs hatch.


Hannible's plans also worked as far as we can tell perfectly at cannae.   A plan that is far outside the conventional notion of what is plausible, executed very forcefully and quickly, fast enough get inside the enemy's observe, orient, decide and act loop to prevent the enemy from adapting, and backed by high quality staff work that prevents rapid build up of internal friction, usually survive encounter enemy sufficiently intact as to remain clearly recognizable until it attains its objectives.

From 1939 to early 1943, the most important element German military successes against enemies of comparable or superior strengths can almost all be pinned down to the ability to get inside the enemy's OODA loop.   From mid 1943 onwards, it was the Soviet who were able to consistent get inside German OODA loops.  That was probably the underlying reason why war on the east went from German tactical supremacy to Soviet tactical supremacy so quickly, with very little in the way of a period of evenly matched stalemate.
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Pssst: Me thinks Aractus doth protest to much.
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RE: Given a chance would you kill baby Hitler?
So are we killing him or not?

I got bored and went back and killed a bunch of other babies. I hope they weren't anyone important.
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(November 14, 2015 at 12:57 pm)abaris Wrote: The Germans had spent the last decade to form independent tank units, acting as a formidable strike force, whereas the allies still viewed them as infantery support units.


That's pretty much what I said, yes.

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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Pretty much everyone was on board with Hitler in the beginning.
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(November 15, 2015 at 1:17 pm)robvalue Wrote: So are we killing him or not?

I got bored and went back and killed a bunch of other babies. I hope they weren't anyone important.

Making baby jerky ?

Gonna keep it all to urself ??
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(November 15, 2015 at 1:17 pm)robvalue Wrote: So are we killing him or not?

I got bored and went back and killed a bunch of other babies. I hope they weren't anyone important.

I think the majority says not, but I'm not going back to tally.

Killed a dozen babies this AM making omelets. Now them was some mighty fine tasting dead babies.
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(November 15, 2015 at 9:53 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: From 1939 to early 1943, the most important element German military successes against enemies of comparable or superior strengths can almost all be pinned down to the ability to get inside the enemy's OODA loop.

Most importantly, they could keep up the charade of basically repeating the Schlieffen-Plan. Noone on the allied side expected them to to break through the ardennes. They considered them impassable for tanks and didn't take into account the work the German pioneers did. Nonetheless, veterans spoke about the biggest traffic jam in history and air raids could have done away with the German deployment easily.
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