French Terror Attacks, scores dead

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Christians used the bible to justify slavery. Christians used the bible to deny women the right to vote. Despite WW2 Jewish bigotry still existed in America, from Christians. Native Americans got fuck over because of Christianity. And sure, if I had my way Cheney would be on trial for war crimes. But two wrongs don't make a right. And the west is still collectively far more civil, and far more diverse than the East.

Would you rather fall victim to a cannibal who will roast you alive or to someone who flays you alive?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I don't know whether to be happy or frustrated, that people think the CIA is such a badass boogeyman on the world scene, commanding ISIS....lol.  Is this image a relic of the cold war (undeserved even then)?

Remember, John McCain was a big ISIS supporter.  At this very minute we are supporting other terrorist groups who may be worse than Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS.  We supported and funded all of those groups.

[Homeless Nutter]

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In the Middle East, security gets so tight you don't even get to scratch. I thought it was the same outside. And hence the low capabilities of Middle Eastern countries.
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That's because Middle East is the sandy asshole of the world, occupied - apparently - by violent, immoral animals, that can only be kept from raping each other to death by war-loving theocratic tyranny, with the power to strip-search anyone, anywhere, cut off body parts and execute people on the spot... We, in most of Europe, have recently enjoyed high levels of freedom, security and privacy characteristic to civilized, secular and democratic societies - we could even freely scratch ourselves, imagine that! That is - until people, who are still stuck in the Dark Ages brought their disease over here...

And you can blame the "extremists" for that, if it helps you sleep at night, but it's true that the majority of muslims living in Europe (not to mention those who live in Islamic countries - because nobody asks them) is against personal liberties, like freedom of speech and for the barbaric sharia law.

So yeah - I'm sure security measures all around Europe will increase from now on - although it will most likely be just more security theatre, like airport security after 911. And I can assure you, this constant reminder of the fact, that we are at war won't make the average European any more sympathetic to the plight of Islamic refugees. Or muslims being bombarded in their own countries, for that matter.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

[WinterHold]

[The Grand Nudger]

Remember, John McCain was a big ISIS supporter.  At this very minute we are supporting other terrorist groups who may be worse than Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS.  We supported and funded all of those groups.

Which wouldn't be as big of a problem...if we were, or were even capable of -actually- commanding them...which we aren't - and never have been. There's no doubt that american guns and american money end ups in terrorist and insurgent hands. There's alot of it, it ends up in alot of hands. We don't keep strict controls. Sometimes we give one group of cocksuckers the arms to defeat another group of cocksuckers and they decide to use them on a third group of cocksuckers instead. This is not a revelation to me or anyone else. I was wondering why people think that this means that ISIS, for example, is under the command of the CIA. If I handed you 100 bucks and a pistol, would that mean you now took orders from me?

[SofaKingHigh]

[abaris]

If I handed you 100 bucks and a pistol, would that mean you now took orders from me?

No, but there's still a problem with that line of thought. If you hand 100 bucks and a pistol to someone, you better make sure, they're not in the business of shooting you.

[The Grand Nudger]

Most of the people we've handed cash and guns to have not used them to shoot at us.  We have a great track record there, and that's including those cases where they do. I fear that we might be suffering from selection bias, in making the comment above. We pour money and guns to our allies, and the enemies of our enemies like a tidal wave.

[abaris]

We pour money and guns to our allies, and the enemies of our enemies like a tidal wave.

Skepticism dates back as far as 1979, when arming and training a certain bunch of people because they happened to fight the Soviets, backfired royally. A certain someone among them, who later on proceeded to become enemy #1. I see history repeating itself in Syria these days.