French Terror Attacks, scores dead

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Christians used the bible to justify slavery. Christians used the bible to deny women the right to vote. Despite WW2 Jewish bigotry still existed in America, from Christians. Native Americans got fuck over because of Christianity. And sure, if I had my way Cheney would be on trial for war crimes. But two wrongs don't make a right. And the west is still collectively far more civil, and far more diverse than the East.

Would you rather fall victim to a cannibal who will roast you alive or to someone who flays you alive?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I don't know whether to be happy or frustrated, that people think the CIA is such a badass boogeyman on the world scene, commanding ISIS....lol.  Is this image a relic of the cold war (undeserved even then)?

Remember, John McCain was a big ISIS supporter.  At this very minute we are supporting other terrorist groups who may be worse than Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS.  We supported and funded all of those groups.

[Homeless Nutter]

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In the Middle East, security gets so tight you don't even get to scratch. I thought it was the same outside. And hence the low capabilities of Middle Eastern countries.
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That's because Middle East is the sandy asshole of the world, occupied - apparently - by violent, immoral animals, that can only be kept from raping each other to death by war-loving theocratic tyranny, with the power to strip-search anyone, anywhere, cut off body parts and execute people on the spot... We, in most of Europe, have recently enjoyed high levels of freedom, security and privacy characteristic to civilized, secular and democratic societies - we could even freely scratch ourselves, imagine that! That is - until people, who are still stuck in the Dark Ages brought their disease over here...

And you can blame the "extremists" for that, if it helps you sleep at night, but it's true that the majority of muslims living in Europe (not to mention those who live in Islamic countries - because nobody asks them) is against personal liberties, like freedom of speech and for the barbaric sharia law.

So yeah - I'm sure security measures all around Europe will increase from now on - although it will most likely be just more security theatre, like airport security after 911. And I can assure you, this constant reminder of the fact, that we are at war won't make the average European any more sympathetic to the plight of Islamic refugees. Or muslims being bombarded in their own countries, for that matter.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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In the Middle East, security gets so tight you don't even get to scratch. I thought it was the same outside. And hence the low capabilities of Middle Eastern countries.
[...]

That's because Middle East is the sandy asshole of the world, occupied - apparently - by violent, immoral animals, that can only be kept from raping each other to death by war-loving theocratic tyranny, with the power to strip-search anyone, anywhere, cut off body parts and execute people on the spot... We, in most of Europe, have recently enjoyed high levels of freedom, security and privacy characteristic to civilized, secular and democratic societies - we could even freely scratch ourselves, imagine that! That is - until people, who are still stuck in the Dark Ages brought their disease over here...

And you can blame the "extremists" for that, if it helps you sleep at night, but it's true that the majority of muslims living in Europe (not to mention those who live in Islamic countries - because nobody asks them) is against personal liberties, like freedom of speech and for the barbaric sharia law.

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So yeah - I'm sure security measures all around Europe will increase from now on - although it will most likely be just more security theatre, like airport security after 911.  And I can assure you, this constant reminder of the fact, that we are at war won't make the average European any more sympathetic to the plight of Islamic refugees. Or muslims being bombarded in their own countries, for that matter.

What kind of an outcome do you anticipate over the next 20 years?

[WinterHold]

Yes it is an evil world, and the worst evil right now that is distracting our species from what you rightfully just said, is the stupid fucking idea of a "chosen people". It is the worst idea humans have ever concocted. It is sucking money away from better uses humanity could be using to solve issues of poverty and pollution. Yes, it is the economy.

The idea of "the chosen" people is can hardly be stripped from the mentality of humans. If religion was destroyed for good, there will still be the "elite" syndrome where business men/ wealthy people/ politicians and all, love to feel important and all, build fancy halls and make lots of fancy parties "only for them to attend"; then sooner or later they become the new "chosen people".

If you meant religion, I think the chosen people phenomena has nothing to do with religion. 

SofaKingHigh

We're not in the Middles East either by the way, we're in Europe.  This is an unprecedented attack, meaning an attack like it had never happened before.  This was a Friday night, young people going for a night out, in a relatively peaceful and secure city.........you expect the same type of security you see in the middle east?  I mean, seriously??

Paris is peaceful ? 
http://www.numbeo.com/crime/city_result.jsp?country=France&city=Paris
That's a city with a moderate crime rate for starters.  So yes; seriously. We're not speaking about "utopia", where people greet you with smiles and flowers at every corner. That's a country with an active underground, black markets for weapons.

Charlie Hebdo was a totally different incident, in terms of planning, scope and execution.  Hebdo was specifically targeted because of a supposed slur on Islam.  What happened on Friday night was a coordinated, multi-pronged attack on the civilian population, planned and orchestrated from the outside.

I have already said I agree with a lot of what you've said on the political situation, but the criticism of teh security measures on the ground are unfounded in my opinion.

We might again disagree, since ISIS claim responsibility for charlie & then again cracked the security around the magazine's office (which I see very ironic). 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEvlKKm6og&bpctr=1447844739
Since you served in the army, you indeed know what a direct impact from an AK would cause (7.62 caliber to the skull would indeed send pieces flying). What happened in Charlie Hebdo is what got me to question security. The attack was coordinated too.

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Homeless Nutter

I agree, dictators supported by so many European countries.
Europe acheived its prosperty and freedom, through exporting its civil madness to the outside. No offense, but there's a very big chance that those attacks on france were planned by Europeans, or did you forget the parties that made profit until now from the incident ?

[The Grand Nudger]

Remember, John McCain was a big ISIS supporter.  At this very minute we are supporting other terrorist groups who may be worse than Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS.  We supported and funded all of those groups.

Which wouldn't be as big of a problem...if we were, or were even capable of -actually- commanding them...which we aren't - and never have been. There's no doubt that american guns and american money end ups in terrorist and insurgent hands. There's alot of it, it ends up in alot of hands. We don't keep strict controls. Sometimes we give one group of cocksuckers the arms to defeat another group of cocksuckers and they decide to use them on a third group of cocksuckers instead. This is not a revelation to me or anyone else. I was wondering why people think that this means that ISIS, for example, is under the command of the CIA. If I handed you 100 bucks and a pistol, would that mean you now took orders from me?

[SofaKingHigh]

Yes it is an evil world, and the worst evil right now that is distracting our species from what you rightfully just said, is the stupid fucking idea of a "chosen people". It is the worst idea humans have ever concocted. It is sucking money away from better uses humanity could be using to solve issues of poverty and pollution. Yes, it is the economy.

The idea of "the chosen" people is can hardly be stripped from the mentality of humans. If religion was destroyed for good, there will still be the "elite" syndrome where business men/ wealthy people/ politicians and all, love to feel important and all, build fancy halls and make lots of fancy parties "only for them to attend"; then sooner or later they become the new "chosen people".

If you meant religion, I think the chosen people phenomena has nothing to do with religion. 

SofaKingHigh

We're not in the Middles East either by the way, we're in Europe.  This is an unprecedented attack, meaning an attack like it had never happened before.  This was a Friday night, young people going for a night out, in a relatively peaceful and secure city.........you expect the same type of security you see in the middle east?  I mean, seriously??

Paris is peaceful ? 
http://www.numbeo.com/crime/city_result.jsp?country=France&city=Paris
That's a city with a moderate crime rate for starters.  So yes; seriously. We're not speaking about "utopia", where people greet you with smiles and flowers at every corner. That's a country with an active underground, black markets for weapons.

Charlie Hebdo was a totally different incident, in terms of planning, scope and execution.  Hebdo was specifically targeted because of a supposed slur on Islam.  What happened on Friday night was a coordinated, multi-pronged attack on the civilian population, planned and orchestrated from the outside.

I have already said I agree with a lot of what you've said on the political situation, but the criticism of teh security measures on the ground are unfounded in my opinion.

We might again disagree, since ISIS claim responsibility for charlie & then again cracked the security around the magazine's office (which I see very ironic). 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEvlKKm6og&bpctr=1447844739
Since you served in the army, you indeed know what a direct impact from an AK would cause (7.62 caliber to the skull would indeed send pieces flying). What happened in Charlie Hebdo is what got me to question security. The attack was coordinated too.

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Homeless Nutter

I agree, dictators supported by so many European countries.
Europe acheived its prosperty and freedom, through exporting its civil madness to the outside. No offense, but there's a very big chance that those attacks on france were planned by Europeans, or did you forget the parties that made profit until now from the incident ?

In comparison to the Middle East, Paris IS a veritable utopia you cretin, that is the very point.  This was a comparison between Paris and the Middle East, one that you made when questioning the security measures.  Fuck me pal, you are genuinely terrible at this.

European or not, this evil bastards were MUSLIM.

One point here, what do you think of the attacks themselves?  Do you think they were justified?  On Charlie Hebdo or the latest attack?

[abaris]

If I handed you 100 bucks and a pistol, would that mean you now took orders from me?

No, but there's still a problem with that line of thought. If you hand 100 bucks and a pistol to someone, you better make sure, they're not in the business of shooting you.

[The Grand Nudger]

Most of the people we've handed cash and guns to have not used them to shoot at us.  We have a great track record there, and that's including those cases where they do. I fear that we might be suffering from selection bias, in making the comment above. We pour money and guns to our allies, and the enemies of our enemies like a tidal wave.

[abaris]

We pour money and guns to our allies, and the enemies of our enemies like a tidal wave.

Skepticism dates back as far as 1979, when arming and training a certain bunch of people because they happened to fight the Soviets, backfired royally. A certain someone among them, who later on proceeded to become enemy #1. I see history repeating itself in Syria these days.