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RE: How can someone convert from Atheist to Religious
November 24, 2015 at 4:27 am
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I find it particularly odd personally, because I know that my decision not to be a part of religion is not dependent on whether or not they contain any truth. It seems very few people would say they believe in the Christian god for example, but don't worship it. I can only think of a couple of people I've ever heard say that. If I had some amazing experience where god and jesus turned up and did loads of stuff, it wouldn't change anything. I'd be curious to question them of course, if they gave me the chance.
If I would say anything, it would be that someone who got sucked back in wasn't really a sceptic, if they made such a claim in the first place. But that would just be my opinion, I don't presume to be the judge of who objectively is and isn't a sceptic. It must be a sliding scale, really.
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RE: How can someone convert from Atheist to Religious
November 24, 2015 at 9:35 am
(November 24, 2015 at 1:05 am)Heat Wrote: I think once you stop believing for a rational reason(as opposed to the small bunch who stop because they "hate god" or something), that you stop believing, and that's that. Sorry, Heat, but that's not the end. Atheism is the stance one holds to the proposition "God exists." and someone's opinion about the veracity of that proposition can change back and forth over time depending on a variety things. Its only the end when you stop thinking about it and become set in your ways.
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RE: How can someone convert from Atheist to Religious
November 24, 2015 at 10:14 am
(November 24, 2015 at 9:35 am)ChadWooters Wrote: (November 24, 2015 at 1:05 am)Heat Wrote: I think once you stop believing for a rational reason(as opposed to the small bunch who stop because they "hate god" or something), that you stop believing, and that's that. Sorry, Heat, but that's not the end. Atheism is the stance one holds to the proposition "God exists." and someone's opinion about the veracity of that proposition can change back and forth over time depending on a variety things. Its only the end when you stop thinking about it and become set in your ways.
Atheism is the stance that says no god(s) exist because there is no proof a god(s) exists.
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RE: How can someone convert from Atheist to Religious
November 24, 2015 at 10:37 am
People change their minds. It's ok. They can agree with you at first and then disagree again. It doesn't mean that they never really agreed with you, or that they don't understand your position, or that it implies your position is less valid because of that.
This seems particularly dishonest since everyone gets their panties in a knot when someone says to an ex-theist that they never truly believed, but somehow it doesn't work the other way? 
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RE: How can someone convert from Atheist to Religious
November 24, 2015 at 11:02 am
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(November 24, 2015 at 10:14 am)dyresand Wrote: (November 24, 2015 at 9:35 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Sorry, Heat, but that's not the end. Atheism is the stance one holds to the proposition "God exists." and someone's opinion about the veracity of that proposition can change back and forth over time depending on a variety things. Its only the end when you stop thinking about it and become set in your ways.
Atheism is the stance that says no god(s) exist because there is no proof a god(s) exists.
The atheistic stance is "God(s) do not exist."
The proposition "There is no proof for a god(s)" is the justification for that stance and a debatable one at that.
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RE: How can someone convert from Atheist to Religious
November 24, 2015 at 11:05 am
(November 24, 2015 at 11:02 am)ChadWooters Wrote: (November 24, 2015 at 10:14 am)dyresand Wrote: Atheism is the stance that says no god(s) exist because there is no proof a god(s) exists.
The atheistic stance is "God(s) do not exist."
The proposition "There is no proof for a god(s)" is the justification for that stance and a debatable one at that.
Ooooh, so you have proof?
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RE: How can someone convert from Atheist to Religious
November 24, 2015 at 11:16 am
(November 24, 2015 at 11:02 am)ChadWooters Wrote: (November 24, 2015 at 10:14 am)dyresand Wrote: Atheism is the stance that says no god(s) exist because there is no proof a god(s) exists.
The atheistic stance is "God(s) do not exist."
The proposition "There is no proof for a god(s)" is the justification for that stance and a debatable one at that.
Oh you have proof please kindly share it's not like this conversation has been happening for thousands of years.
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RE: How can someone convert from Atheist to Religious
November 24, 2015 at 11:21 am
(November 24, 2015 at 10:37 am)Vic Wrote: People change their minds. It's ok. They can agree with you at first and then disagree again. It doesn't mean that they never really agreed with you, or that they don't understand your position, or that it implies your position is less valid because of that.
This seems particularly dishonest since everyone gets their panties in a knot when someone says to an ex-theist that they never truly believed, but somehow it doesn't work the other way?
Well said, Vic. Thanks for being honest and objective.
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RE: How can someone convert from Atheist to Religious
November 24, 2015 at 11:54 am
(November 24, 2015 at 4:27 am)robvalue Wrote: I find it particularly odd personally, because I know that my decision not to be a part of religion is not dependent on whether or not they contain any truth. It seems very few people would say they believe in the Christian god for example, but don't worship it. I can only think of a couple of people I've ever heard say that. If I had some amazing experience where god and jesus turned up and did loads of stuff, it wouldn't change anything. I'd be curious to question them of course, if they gave me the chance.
If I would say anything, it would be that someone who got sucked back in wasn't really a sceptic, if they made such a claim in the first place. But that would just be my opinion, I don't presume to be the judge of who objectively is and isn't a sceptic. It must be a sliding scale, really.
See Rob this statement is really a crucial one. I mentioned a while back in an evidence thread, that I truly believe there is no evidence proposed that a modern skeptic could not simply explain away, no matter how profound. If Jesus were to come to you personally in the flesh and perform miracles like raising your dead relative so you can speak with them again, or healing a friend of cancer, I truly believe the modern skeptic would classify it as a mental breakdown, hallucination, or some other natural explanation etc. For some, there is simply no evidence that will suffice because in their mind the existence of God is impossible.
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RE: How can someone convert from Atheist to Religious
November 24, 2015 at 12:07 pm
(November 24, 2015 at 11:54 am)Kingpin Wrote: (November 24, 2015 at 4:27 am)robvalue Wrote: I find it particularly odd personally, because I know that my decision not to be a part of religion is not dependent on whether or not they contain any truth. It seems very few people would say they believe in the Christian god for example, but don't worship it. I can only think of a couple of people I've ever heard say that. If I had some amazing experience where god and jesus turned up and did loads of stuff, it wouldn't change anything. I'd be curious to question them of course, if they gave me the chance.
If I would say anything, it would be that someone who got sucked back in wasn't really a sceptic, if they made such a claim in the first place. But that would just be my opinion, I don't presume to be the judge of who objectively is and isn't a sceptic. It must be a sliding scale, really.
See Rob this statement is really a crucial one. I mentioned a while back in an evidence thread, that I truly believe there is no evidence proposed that a modern skeptic could not simply explain away, no matter how profound. If Jesus were to come to you personally in the flesh and perform miracles like raising your dead relative so you can speak with them again, or healing a friend of cancer, I truly believe the modern skeptic would classify it as a mental breakdown, hallucination, or some other natural explanation etc. For some, there is simply no evidence that will suffice because in their mind the existence of God is impossible.
But you would have to prove first that historically a person named jesus even existed not the magical baby jesus but a regular guy named jesus.
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