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| There is no God, and I am certain of this. | 26 | 37.68% | |
| I firmly believe there is no God, but there is a teeny tiny possibility I could be wrong. | 15 | 21.74% | |
| I believe there is no God, but there is a possibility I could be wrong. | 10 | 14.49% | |
| I really don't know if there is a God or not, but since I have not yet seen any evidence, I live my life as though there isn't. | 18 | 26.09% | |
| I have no idea one way or the other, and am always weighing both possibilities in my head. | 0 | 0% | |
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 (November 30, 2015 at 8:19 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: None of the above: I am certain FSM exists and have been told by him personally all other religions are wrong. Praise be ![[Image: oliver-hands.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.ourladyofperpetualexemption.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Foliver-hands.png)
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Previous username: GUBU God! Theresa, I forgot me fecking trousers!  Religious Views: the Disc's first ligthning proof atheist (November 24, 2015 at 1:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Actually, the "problem of evil" has never for one second made me question God because I believe in free will. Well then, how can you be catholic? The rcc (and other catholic churches, including anglicanism) insistence that god is omniscient means that catholics by necessity have to believe that free will is impossible. For if god knows all, ordinary humans cannot possibly have a choice in their actions.
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Home  (December 1, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:(November 24, 2015 at 1:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Actually, the "problem of evil" has never for one second made me question God because I believe in free will. The belief in free will is a fundamental Catholic teaching. Yes, we believe God knows everything that happens, that doesn't mean that we don't choose our actions. It means He knows what we are going to choose.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh  (December 1, 2015 at 6:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(December 1, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Well then, how can you be catholic? The rcc (and other catholic churches, including anglicanism) insistence that god is omniscient means that catholics by necessity have to believe that free will is impossible. For if god knows all, ordinary humans cannot possibly have a choice in their actions. You can't have god being all knowing and have free will at the same time it's a paradox.
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 (December 1, 2015 at 6:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(December 1, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Well then, how can you be catholic? The rcc (and other catholic churches, including anglicanism) insistence that god is omniscient means that catholics by necessity have to believe that free will is impossible. For if god knows all, ordinary humans cannot possibly have a choice in their actions. So your god, created me, knowing all along all the choices I would make, including not believing he exists. And he did this with the knowledge that I would be punished in the Catholic hell. Why would a moral being do this? Does everything happen according to god's plan? You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. 
Catholic Lady, for you my dear,
Logically, since there is no evidence for the existence of god, one must understand that faith enters the equation. Personal experience and faith seem to hold hands, and I distinctly remember you stating at one point that you understood that personal experience is not the same for everyone, and that it is something that can only be personal. Since personal experience and faith are not evidence, by what logic does one retain a strong belief in something? Comfort, I am guessing. I could be wrong. Prove me wrong.
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~ Erin Hunter (December 1, 2015 at 7:09 pm)Kitan Wrote: Catholic Lady, for you my dear, Personal experience can be evidence for that person though. Not the type of evidence that I could show to the whole world to "prove" His existence to everyone, but enough for me personally to hold the position that I do.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh RE: Where do you stand on the existence of God?
December 1, 2015 at 7:21 pm
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(December 1, 2015 at 7:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Personal experience can be evidence for that person though. Not the type of evidence that I could show to the whole world to "prove" His existence to everyone, but enough for me personally to hold the position that I do. From a psychological standpoint, could this personal experience not be held to the same standard as those who are delusional? I.E., those who believe in such things that are clearly not real.
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