Gods? No way

[KUSA]

since there is no god there can be no atheists much less theists.

God doesn't have to exist in order for a Theist to exist. Since Theists do in fact exist, the Atheist can exist.

the·ism
\ˈthē-ˌi-zəm\
noun
: the belief that God exists or that many gods exist
Full Definition
:belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically :belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world

[robvalue]

Being an atheist represents a response to theistic claims. Those claims exist, and there are people who reject those claims, and they are atheists. Claims don't have to be about something real, clearly, or else every claim that something is real would automatically be true.

By this logic, I can't disbelieve in Santa Claus without acknowledging Santa Claus is actually real.

[robvalue]

The idea that the claim itself is meaningless is more of an ignostic thing anyway, which I happen to agree with.

But I think this topic is assuming that it's clear to all gods are fictional, and as such any claim made about them is not a "real claim" but just someone arsing around. It appears many people actually do believe these things are real though, so there is no such consensus. In fact the majority of the world seems to think they exist. Although I don't believe that every professed theist really does believe what they say, I do believe that most really do.

They're all believing in something slightly different, of course. The overlap is probably just that it made the universe. The rest is optional word salad.

[Longhorn]

OP, can you summarise and rephrase just what the fuck you're trying to say?

[TheoneandonlytrueGod]

OP, can you summarise and rephrase just what the fuck you're trying to say?

Sure: "Take my word for it gods do not exist period."

See how simple that was?

[Reforged]

Take my word for it gods do not exist period.

Therefore there can't be any atheists. The reason is clear; atheism presupposes God and since there is no god there can be no atheists much less theists.

We can argue the existence or nonexistence till the cows come home or we become blue in our faces and have apoplexy but that argument can have no positive (of for that matter negative) outcome. So we will walk away frustrated by having no satisfactory conclusions(s); assuming we can walk away that is.

God or no god the world will continue to spin on it's axis, it's volcano's spewing lava and hot ash, the movement of the plates bumping and grinding, pitching and splitting utterly unaware of whatever life it disrupts, ignoring all prayers and supplications to spare etc. etc.

So whale away at me, maybe I'll learn something new.

You're wrong.