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Episode VII (spoilers)
RE: Episode VII (spoilers)
(January 2, 2016 at 8:37 am)Aractus Wrote: While I agree with that criticism, that's one of the more minor problems of the film. Basically what you're saying is that the transition between the end of Return of the Jedi, and the start of Force Awakens doesn't make comprehensible sense. Whereas if you were to look at any other two adjoining Star Wars films, the audience can follow the narrative that exists off-screen between movies. They flow in an easily comprehensible direction. But in TFA, we don't at all understand how we got there. If anything the New Republic should be at the height of their age now following the downfall of the Empire. That's where the film should have begun - but instead we have a threat to the New Republic that simply overthrows it with no resistance. Why can't the New Republic defend themselves from such a threat? Why did not retaliate directly against the New Order.
Yes, that's what was missing in there...
In something like 20 or 30 years, a whole bunch of stuff happened and we get nothing about it, but the end result, just so we can have a good old "GoodVsEvil" story.
But the title crawl did seem to indicate that things were going ok, with the Jedi getting rehabilitated, and then, Shazam!

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(January 2, 2016 at 9:31 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: I think the Finn character was totally unbelievable from the moment he appeared on screen. He is suppose to have been snatched from his family as an infant or very young child, and raised in a brutal, merciless camp geared to produce efficient, merciless, regimented killers. He is suppose to be the incarnation of the ancient Spartan warrior. It is not credible that people like that would abandon their entire upbringing, find their conscience the first time they are told to actually do what they have been trained for a life time to do. Experience shock and hesitation during first battle, perhaps. Not find his conscience so quickly. It is also not credible such a person would have any conventional social skills or would fit easily into any society other than the cohorts with whom he was raised and trained. The story of Fin in TFA is childish, no, infantile, character development for a movie perhaps not consciously meant for infants. John Boyega might have some acting talent, but it is not as a trained killer without any context to socialize with anyone outside his unit, finding his conscience or not.
When he first appears, he's a soldier.
Like many soldiers, he's human first and killing machine after.... to me, it made sense.
His backstory, that came later, was the not-so believable part... So... the Empire had been eradicated and the need for storm-troopers had disappeared.... why keep breeding them? Or do those guys get to grow faster than normal? Like clones...? Tongue
There's something wrong in the chronology of that world...

(January 2, 2016 at 9:31 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: The Rey character was slightly less unbelievable at the start, up to the point she took off in an half crewed millennium falcon. She had been a scavenger eking out the barest of living on a god forsaken outback planet since maybe 6 or 8 years old. It would be out of character for her to have experience flying spaceships.
That's those good old Skywalker genes - Anakin was a great pilot, Luke was too... Rey is another.
As if piloting spaceships is a genetic trait - heck, it's sci-fi, why not?

(January 2, 2016 at 9:31 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: In fact, it would be in character for her to have never even been in a working spaceship since 6-8 years old. If she had the opportunity to practice flying spaceships, she could probably find a better living than trudging through desert and rappelling off wrecked star destroyers scavenging small scrap for a quarter portion of a shrunk wrapped meal each. Yes, she maybe familiar with the layout of the inside of a star wrecked destroyer. It is one thing to know the way. It is another to pilot a high performance, Nonstandard spaceship she has never flown before, having in all likelihood never flown any sort of spaceship before, as fast as the ship would go through a maze chased by a higher performance fighter craft. Also, As a scavenger, she may know which parts goes where in some parts of the spaceship, from ripping them out to sell them as scrap. It is hardly plausible she knows how to actually keep them running, especially in an emergency, and how to conduct emergency repairs. That's not what scavengers do.
I see your point.
Considering how well she knew about the modifications done to the Falcon, I'd say she had more than a scavenger's insight on ships... And, as Luke before her, she had a lot of experience flying a speeder.

(January 2, 2016 at 9:31 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: From there on, the unbelievability skyrockets, and the least unbelievable part from then on is the trippy dream sequence upon touching the light saber. That's saying something. I like Daisy Ridley's acting too. She is unaffected and takes the role seriously, and she seems to be not without talent. That makes her the best actor/actress to have yet appeared in a core role in any of the Star Wars movies, Harrison ford included. But even her acting could hardly distract from the smug Mary Sue implausibility of her character starting from "garbage it is".

That... yeah.... that's not how the Force has been shown to work. Touch here and flash of memories attached to that object... get told that you can use the Force and, suddenly, "I know kung-fu!" - defeat the best user of the force in a light sabre duel - ka-pow!

Speaking of that duel... how could Finn ever hope to keep up with a guy that can know the future?! Remember the lightning reflexes Anakin had (thanks to the force), in order to go pod-racing? (oh... yeah... we're still trying to forget that... ok... sorry)
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RE: Episode VII (spoilers)
(January 2, 2016 at 10:42 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(January 2, 2016 at 10:19 am)Brian37 Wrote: The plot is simple . PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW, BOOM BOOM BOOM, PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW, The end.

You credit it with too many Pews and Booms.

He he he, I guess there is a correct amount? Tongue 

Theist logic Pew=good vs evil=my god did it.
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RE: Episode VII (spoilers)
I think it's totally unbelievable that either Finn or Rey could have stood long against even an injured Ren.  But it is slightly more credible for Finn, presumably a trained fighter, to last a couple of rounds with Ren, than Rey.  

And no, swing a bow staff against desert brigands should not be equivalent to experience with the light saber, any more than playing with nunchakus prepares one to face off against a experience kendo practitioner, at least if everything said about Jedi training in episolds 1-6 is suppose to be more than hot air.

And if reaching into Ren's mind to note that ren feared not being the equal of darth Vader is enough to make Rey ren's equal in all the Jedi tricks, then presumably either obiwan and yoda could have touched Luke's forehead and made his the equal or the superior to Darth Vader.

This is all very sloppy story writing, totally not suitable as anything other than shabbiest possible exploitation of low standards and gullibility of the fan base. A basic quality of a worthy protagonist in any halfway decent story is personal success did not come trivially, if at all. This movie overlooks giving its only worthwhile protagonist this quality, so it is not even a half way decent story. Just a few pews and booms.
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RE: Episode VII (spoilers)
It's apparently really *really* important to Anomalo and Aractus that the convince us that this movie is really awful. Why else would they still be here pages and pages in trying to tell us why we're wrong when we say anything good about it at all?
How will we know, when the morning comes, we are still human? - 2D

Don't worry, my friend.  If this be the end, then so shall it be.
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RE: Episode VII (spoilers)
I kind of knew going in I wasn't about to watch Schindler's List, so I enjoyed it. Guess that makes me an idiot? Or a person of poor taste? At the end if the day, I spent $12 and enjoyed my time, where others spent $12 for a bad time. I don't feel so dumb now.
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:

"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."

For context, this is the previous verse:

"Hi Jesus" -robvalue
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RE: Episode VII (spoilers)
(January 2, 2016 at 2:36 pm)TheRealJoeFish Wrote: It's apparently really *really* important to Anomalo and Aractus that the convince us that this movie is really awful. Why else would they still be here pages and pages in trying to tell us why we're wrong when we say anything good about it at all?

We are trying to convert you to the dark side.
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RE: Episode VII (spoilers)
(January 2, 2016 at 3:23 pm)Exian Wrote: I kind of knew going in I wasn't about to watch Schindler's List, so I enjoyed it. Guess that makes me an idiot? Or a person of poor taste? At the end if the day, I spent $12 and enjoyed my time, where others spent $12 for a bad time. I don't feel so dumb now.

I spent $8.50 for a senior matinee ticket.   Cool
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RE: Episode VII (spoilers)
(January 2, 2016 at 2:36 pm)TheRealJoeFish Wrote: It's apparently really *really* important to Anomalo and Aractus that the convince us that this movie is really awful. Why else would they still be here pages and pages in trying to tell us why we're wrong when we say anything good about it at all?

Did you notice that Aractus, Anomalo and Asshole all start with an A?  Please discuss.
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RE: Episode VII (spoilers)
(January 2, 2016 at 6:46 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote:
(January 2, 2016 at 3:23 pm)Exian Wrote: I kind of knew going in I wasn't about to watch Schindler's List, so I enjoyed it. Guess that makes me an idiot? Or a person of poor taste? At the end if the day, I spent $12 and enjoyed my time, where others spent $12 for a bad time. I don't feel so dumb now.

I spent $8.50 for a senior matinee ticket.   Cool

I got a family ticket, 2 adults+3 kids for 19€. That makes less than 4€ per ticket.
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RE: Episode VII (spoilers)
My daughter (read: my ex) bought me a cinema gift card for Christmas. It was all free *sunglasses guy*
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:

"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."

For context, this is the previous verse:

"Hi Jesus" -robvalue
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