My Rebuttal to Dawkins Argument

[Minimalist]

No, we blame the morons who believe in bullshit and try to spread it around.  Look in a mirror.

[LostLocke]

3. Only do things in our ... space-time, require a creator.

That would imply that anything that exists outside our space-time does not need a creator. So God would be the creator of our "reality" only, not other realities.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

As a muslim, I am not allowed to use profanity because Islam teaches me to respect people, regardless of their beliefs and views. Please, I would like it if you respect me as a human, and not use profanity. You are not a Muslim, and you do not have a degree on Islam, you speak on a few researches you have done through the internet. I advise you to talk to Muslim Scholars who have a masters in Islam. I advise you to watch Reza Aslan, Ahmed Deedat, Maajid Nawaz and etc.

You won't be treated with respect here.

The people here are mostly very emotional, bearing irrational anger towards religion.

They have no good reasons for their beliefs or lack thereof.

But they have plenty of anger and hate. They blame God and religion for everything, from bad weather to ingrown toenails. And then say God doesn't exist. And then they say they are agnostic atheists who lack belief.

You'll love it here. It's the intellectual equivalent of wrestling with pigs.

Projecting troll, talking about hate whilst spewing nothing but hate on a forum they joined specifically to troll.

4/10 for effort, maybe push it to a five if you upped your content. But too obvious, needs to be more subtle in order to be more effective in future forums.

Merry Saturnalia to you.

[Angrboda]

Good Samaritan, Delicate. Riding in to save the day.

[Silver]

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You won't be treated with respect here.

The people here are mostly very emotional, bearing irrational anger towards religion.

They have no good reasons for their beliefs or lack thereof.

But they have plenty of anger and hate. They blame God and religion for everything, from bad weather to ingrown toenails. And then say God doesn't exist. And then they say they are agnostic atheists who lack belief.

You'll love it here. It's the intellectual equivalent of wrestling with pigs.

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Goodness knows theists are full of respect for absolutely everyone who believes differently than they do, especially to the point where they go to great lengths to convince others to believe precisely as they do rather than to believe differently. After all, goodness forbid there be any kind of diversity in relation to belief in this world. The horror!

I cannot imagine any Christian being filled with such emotion with the belief in god to the point where the theist becomes irrational toward reason.

Theistically and historically speaking, anger and hate are more the prime examples of religion than anything remotely resembling love.

[robvalue]

I'm still waiting to hear how belief in "God" will make me think of more fundamental questions to ask. How come no theist ever gives an example of this? Or, in fact, an example of any kind of knowledge or wisdom whatsoever that can't easily be found some non-magical way?

Belief in any particular religion's God would bring a lot of questions along with it, regarding the nonsensical and contradictory nature of its description. Regarding the big 2, it would bring another set of questions as to why God is such a *%#^.

[The Grand Nudger]

Because that's how he rolls, Rob.  He's a bad, bad man and you don't wanna cross him....or his henchmen.  This is what led some early christians to think that jesus was a new god, come to save us from the old god - the tyrant creator.  Zues to Cronus, as it were.

[Pat Mustard]

As a muslim, I am not allowed to use profanity because Islam teaches me to respect people, regardless of their beliefs and views. Please, I would like it if you respect me as a human, and not use profanity. You are not a Muslim, and you do not have a degree on Islam, you speak on a few researches you have done through the internet. I advise you to talk to Muslim Scholars who have a masters in Islam. I advise you to watch Reza Aslan, Ahmed Deedat, Maajid Nawaz and etc.

You won't be treated with respect here.

Delicate, protip for future reference, you give respect you get respect.

You came here full of disrespect for the community (for one thing your condescending assumption that there is something wrong with the rest of us because we don't immediately accept every word you say without demur), and no wonder is it that you get the same thrown back at you.

So, in all honesty, go shove your mealy mouthed creenrawling up your hairy fat arse.

[Bob Kelso]

You won't be treated with respect here.

The people here are mostly very emotional, bearing irrational anger towards religion.

They have no good reasons for their beliefs or lack thereof.

But they have plenty of anger and hate. They blame God and religion for everything, from bad weather to ingrown toenails. And then say God doesn't exist. And then they say they are agnostic atheists who lack belief.

You'll love it here. It's the intellectual equivalent of wrestling with pigs.

Yeah... lot's of unwarranted hate here. 

Delicate's all-time first post on a thread asking "Who do you follow in the atheist community":

I don't think there are very many likable atheists around anymore.

He certainly came here seeking respectful discussion. 

The cunt.

[Brian37]

Hello, 

Greetings to you brothers and sisters in humanity,

I would like to refute Richard Dawkins argument " If God created man, then who created God? "

The answer to this question is very simple, and I would like to discuss it in detail:

1. The Creator is called The Creator, so how can the Creator have a creator if he is The Creator?

2. The question can be turned around, which will allow me to ask: " If the universe created man, then who created the universe? "

3. Only do things in our galaxy and universe and space-time, require a creator. God is obviously out of space and time, and the galaxy and universe, in another dimension, in which we do not understand.

4. This is like saying that an explanation requires an explanation, which would lose you in an infinite regress, which is clearly contradictory to the bases and fundamentals of science.

5. Antony Flew in his book states:

Now, clearly theists and atheist can agree on one thing: if anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed

http://richardcarrier.blogspot.com/2007/...-book.html

In my opinion the book's arguments are so fallacious and cheaply composed I doubt Flew would have signed off on it in sound mind, and Oppenheimer comes to much the same conclusion. It seems Flew simply trusted Vargheseand didn't even read the book being published in his name.