Brain Dead Girls Court Case

[Excited Penguin]

I don't see why there's something wrong with that, since it's not exactly like it's definitely a sham. I don't see them using unscientific reasons to persuade people to buy their product.

Didn't say there was anything wrong with it, but I'm not trusting that it works either. It is one of those things that never really has to yield any results, they just sell you hope and it never fails because they can just keep pointing to the future.

Well, I'll take any chance over no chance, but that's just me.

[Autumnlicious]

Same kind of "logic" (not really) that feeds Pascal's Wager.

First off, there is no medical evidence of returning from Brain Death.

Yesterday, I took the liberty of reviewing the Terri Schiavo case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case). She was held to be in a Persistent Vegetative State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent...tive_state). A Persistent Vegetative State is a form of partial arousal and not close to true awareness.

The autopsy showed no chance of recovery. Here is a CAT scan of her brain prior to death:



Please note that the black voids are empty spaces filled by CNS fluid, the white dot in the right void is a thalamic stimulator (ineffective as it requires some neuronal matter to work with).

In other words, there could not be a human mind there. No person. Not one bit.

The autopsy, in their own words stated (http://www.abstractappeal.com/schiavo/autopsyreport.pdf)

Mrs. Schiavo's brain showed marked global anoxic-ischemic encephalopathy resulting in massive cerebral atrophy. Her brain weight was approximately half of the expected weight. Of particular importance was the hypoxic damage and neuronal loss in her occipital lobes, which indicates cortical blindness. Her remaining brain regions also show severe hypoxic injury and neuronal atrophy/loss. No areas of recent or remote traumatic injury were found.

You may find that block on page 35, section 6.

Jahi is declared brain dead, which is far worse than Persistent Vegetative State.

Unless there is a consistent and plausible explanation that shows a misdiagnosis of an incredible degree, Jahi has no chance of coming back.

Quit relying on faith and look at the science. I've picked an example of a woman in a Persistent Vegetative State (not brain dead) and showed that that "higher" level of completeness has little bearing on the recoverability. If anything, it shows that a Persistent Vegetative State is the closest to brain death anyone may have ever returned from, provided there is sufficient brain mass to allow for function and repair.

Jahi is brain dead. Below PVS.

To recap, She's Dead Jim.

[Joods]

He did say they were seeking out nomination. But we're now straying from the topic.

I said I'm sorry, and I went back and saw that he said that indeed. No need to act so bitchy.

Fuck off. I wasn't acting bitchy. But I am now.
Tone and inflection are impossible to detect in posts. I am only responsible for what i say, not what YOU choose to understand. I was merely pointing out what he was referring to.

[Excited Penguin]

I said I'm sorry, and I went back and saw that he said that indeed. No need to act so bitchy.

Fuck off. I wasn't acting bitchy. But I am now.
Tone and inflection are impossible to detect in posts. I am only responsible for what i say, not what YOU choose to understand. I was merely pointing out what he was referring to.

I wasn't talking about tone, but your choice of words. You seem to think you can tell people what to think and steer the conversation however you like. I think you just don't know your place.

[Joods]

Fuck off. I wasn't acting bitchy. But I am now.
Tone and inflection are impossible to detect in posts. I am only responsible for what i say, not what YOU choose to understand. I was merely pointing out what he was referring to.

I wasn't talking about tone, but your choice of words. You seem to think you can tell people what to think and steer the conversation however you like. I think you just don't know your place.

That's rich coming from you. Given that you aren't staff, it's not up to you to decide what my place is, little boy.

[Excited Penguin]

Little boy =))) Ok. I enjoy that.

[brewer]

Similar case. Similar fight.

http://www.zehabesha.com/nevada-supreme-...e-support/

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/late...-life-case

[Ravenshire]

However I'm not sure if cryonics works on brain dead patients, I am no medical expert.

Isn't cryonics about preserving dead people? Don't dead people have dead brains?

I don't know what to say.

http://alcor.org/AboutCryonics/index.html

Today brain tissue preserved with a modern vitrification solution shows virtually no freezing damage. Whole neurons are visible with intact membranes and well defined structure. This is the excellent brain preservation which Alcor can now achieve in human patients. Most "experts" who complain about damage caused by cryonics procedures are unaware that such preservation is now possible.

(emphasis is mine)

You should have a look at what the word virtual really means:
Link: Dictionary.com