My heart is breaking... I thought Christians are suppose to love "unconditionally"

[Brian37]

No, in every age there WERE guides, and only science has transcended. While all other "guides" worked to create social pecking orders, none of them produced unity outside the sect or umbrella organization.

Buddha is a "guide" to all Buddhists, but yet there are different sects. Christians see Jesus as a "guide" but yet there are different sects. Muslims see Allah and Mohammed as their "guide" but yet there are different sects. Yet computers exist in all the world to sell these old myths on.

Most humans have a religion, yes, but popularity does not equal unity. If popularity of belief was universal there would be one religion and no competing sect within that religion.

Why hasn't science produce a Guide to lead us the straight path if science transcends it? Or is that there is a straight path but no one in this age can walk it? Or has some walked it but none of them are going to guide us upon it? Or is it that there is no straight path because morality is just a concept in our heads?

Dude, what are you looking for? "Straight path"? You mean a moral guide? I don't believe in your god and I am not out raping women. I also don't believe in Jesus or Buddha, also not raping women or robbing banks.  But science does give us insight into human behaviors good or bad. Those fields are called psychology, psychiatry, criminology and even neurology.

Yes morality is subjective, so what? If morality never changed blacks would still be slaves and women wouldn't be able to vote. I am glad blacks are not slaves and I am glad that women can vote.

You don't need an old book of myth to be law abiding. You don't need an old book of myth to help your family and or neighbors. You don't need an old book of myth to do good. You have it stuck in your head like most believers of all faiths that their is some magic to life. There isn't. Do your best and don't harm others. You don't need a convoluted comic book to do that.

[MTL]

No, in every age there WERE guides, and only science has transcended. While all other "guides" worked to create social pecking orders, none of them produced unity outside the sect or umbrella organization.

Buddha is a "guide" to all Buddhists, but yet there are different sects. Christians see Jesus as a "guide" but yet there are different sects. Muslims see Allah and Mohammed as their "guide" but yet there are different sects. Yet computers exist in all the world to sell these old myths on.

Most humans have a religion, yes, but popularity does not equal unity. If popularity of belief was universal there would be one religion and no competing sect within that religion.

Why hasn't science produce a Guide to lead us the straight path if science transcends it? Or is that there is a straight path but no one in this age can walk it? Or has some walked it but none of them are going to guide us upon it? Or is it that there is no straight path because morality is just a concept in our heads?

[drfuzzy]

Thought 1) a straight path to what?  Thought 2) why would the path need to be straight?   Thought 3) why do we need a guide?  Guides are human.  Guides expect us to believe and obey like good little sheeple - guides destroy rational thought in favor of "faith". Thought 4) science does not travel a straight path.  It takes data and tests it, rejecting what is flawed or outmoded, always improving.  Science is constantly changing.  My experience of religion is that religions fear change.

No way.
There is a way.
That leads to a higher way.
Cause it's all in our heads.
It's all in our heads.

No way.
There is a way.
To know the basis of the way.
Cause it's all in our heads.
It's all in our heads.

No way.
There is a way.
To be guided on the way.
Cause it's all in our heads.
It's all in our heads.

No way.
There is a way.
To know the Guide of the way.
Cause it's all in our heads.
It's all in our heads.

No way
There is a way
To know we are a way
Cause it's all in our heads
It's all in our heads.

Do I got it right?

Yep.  You do.  It's all in your head.  Along with fantasies and daydreams and magical invisible friends who tell you how to live.

[dyresand]

No, in every age there WERE guides, and only science has transcended. While all other "guides" worked to create social pecking orders, none of them produced unity outside the sect or umbrella organization.

Buddha is a "guide" to all Buddhists, but yet there are different sects. Christians see Jesus as a "guide" but yet there are different sects. Muslims see Allah and Mohammed as their "guide" but yet there are different sects. Yet computers exist in all the world to sell these old myths on.

Most humans have a religion, yes, but popularity does not equal unity. If popularity of belief was universal there would be one religion and no competing sect within that religion.

Why hasn't science produce a Guide to lead us the straight path if science transcends it? Or is that there is a straight path but no one in this age can walk it? Or has some walked it but none of them are going to guide us upon it? Or is it that there is no straight path because morality is just a concept in our heads?

What if i say science has done more good than religion has for everyone.

[Longhorn]

Every time I see the title of this thread I hear Sia in my head

Sorry op

[Mystic]

Why hasn't science produce a Guide to lead us the straight path if science transcends it? Or is that there is a straight path but no one in this age can walk it? Or has some walked it but none of them are going to guide us upon it? Or is it that there is no straight path because morality is just a concept in our heads?

What if i say science has done more good than religion has for everyone.

Religion has over all been a curse to humanity, because over all it's been lead by misguiding people as well as inspiration from Satanic forces.

Even when there is a book clarifying the guidance, people due to a dark magic on their hearts, and their souls not struggling but embracing the Satanic uncleanness and influence, follow misguided leaders over the leaders in which God and his Messenger commanded to obey.

However, if we aren't going to follow God's guidance, what guidance can exist better then her's (if She exists)?

[dyresand]

What if i say science has done more good than religion has for everyone.

Religion has over all been a curse to humanity, because over all it's been lead by misguiding people as well as inspiration from Satanic forces.

Even when there is a book clarifying the guidance, people due to a dark magic on their hearts, and their souls not struggling but embracing the Satanic uncleanness and influence, follow misguided leaders over the leaders in which God and his Messenger commanded to obey.

However, if we aren't going to follow God's guidance, what guidance can exist better then her's (if She exists)?

You would have to prove that Satan like god exists. The bible and all "holy" scripture has done nothing more than to keep people ignorant.
Look at the middle east of all  places they used to be the leaders in science but look at what religion has done there. The islamic belief 
is so regressive that so many scientific progress has been lost due to religion. Look at the first world and the third world look at how differences
of how religion is practiced. I mean for fucks sakes i would be dead in the middle east and various third world countries because i  would be by definition a blasphemer the only way i would live is to lie about being religious or  you know die. The  bible or any sort of guide that leads towards god(s) is regressive and not productive in anyway one only has to look at history look at what these supposed guides did and look at what people did for god(s). The fact being if a god existed we would be better off with out said god and even if one did exist we shouldn't  be reaching out towards him asking for help i mean look at the world were  doing better off with out him/her/it.

[robvalue]

I think you should put more stock in yourself MK, and not always be looking for rules from others. I assume you don't go around killing and stoning people, and oppressing women, and if so you've already shown you can think for yourself and not brainlessly follow dogma.

If you ask yourself why you don't do those things, even though the "word of God" says that you should, you'll realise where morality really comes from.

[Brian37]

What if i say science has done more good than religion has for everyone.

Religion has over all been a curse to humanity, because over all it's been lead by misguiding people as well as inspiration from Satanic forces.

Even when there is a book clarifying the guidance, people due to a dark magic on their hearts, and their souls not struggling but embracing the Satanic uncleanness and influence, follow misguided leaders over the leaders in which God and his Messenger commanded to obey.

However, if we aren't going to follow God's guidance, what guidance can exist better then her's (if She exists)?

You know why religion has been a curse? Because of your last sentence ^^^^^^^^^^^, problem is everyone has their own idea as to follow "God's guidance". 7 billion humans and lucky us, you just happened to pick the correct god. And that is the problem, 10s of thousands of different sects of a variety of religions, all competing for power, all saying the same thing "If you only would do it my way".

Now again MK, you really are NOT making  any arguments we have not heard from Jews or Christians or even Hindus or Buddhists. Our species behaviors, good are bad, are in us. Our ability to be compassionate are in us. Our ability to be cruel are in us. There is no magic book or perfect religion that explains our natural behaviors. There is no Jesus or Mohammed or Yahweh or Buddha giving humans their morality. WE do good or we do bad, as individuals. You don't need a god to do good or be good. You don't need a religion to do good or be good. 


God is not a he or she or even an it. Claims of super natural cognitions we call deities/god/gods/entities/spirits are nothing more than humans projecting their own qualities on non existent fictional beings. Humans make up gods, thats it. And the more we face that as a species, the more we will be able to see ourselves as the same species. Religion divides and it is not a good way of bringing humanity together.