If you were ever a theist...

[Pat Mustard]

As a Deist,  I tried my best to reason myself into morality. I felt like I could not know a lot of things, being blurry, but even if I felt something was wrong but didn't know it to be wrong, as long as there was no clear indication it was, I was free to do it if I desired so.

MK as a muslim you are not a deist, you are a theist. I'm assuming that you're not living in the middle east after writing that statement, though, because to say something like that in a muslim ruled country is enough to get you killed gruesomely for apostasy.

But it brings a larger point to bear. How are we supposed to accept your beliefs as true when you yourself don't understand them nor can you verbalise them properly?

[Pat Mustard]

[Mystic]

As a Deist,  I tried my best to reason myself into morality. I felt like I could not know a lot of things, being blurry, but even if I felt something was wrong but didn't know it to be wrong, as long as there was no clear indication it was, I was free to do it if I desired so.

MK as a muslim you are not a deist, you are a theist. I'm assuming that you're not living in the middle east after writing that statement, though, because to say something like that in a muslim ruled country is enough to get you killed gruesomely for apostasy.

But it brings a larger point to bear. How are we supposed to accept your beliefs as true when you yourself don't understand them nor can you verbalise them properly?

I meant while I was a Deist. I was a Deist for about five years.

[downbeatplumb]

If I had religious experiences I'd be more befuddled than converted. I wonder why we humans use such experiences to jump to wild conclusions about reality.

Is it all that wild to think there could be a supernatural force behind the universe? Not that wild, to me. lol

What is he supernatural and how does it work? All you seem to be doing is replacing rational thought with preferring stories. Ghost stories, and tales about zombies are good, but you should never confuse them with stuff that actually happens.

[Pizza]

If you were ever a theist/believer, what led you to no longer believe? Not looking to preach, that’s not my thing and it’s against rules anyway, but just curious. I remember my own journey over the past few years with it all, and just thought it’d be interesting to hear your ‘stories’ if you were once believers before identifying as an atheist. 

I can't remember if I replied to this or not.  I stop being a Christian theist over seven years ago. I think the problem of suffering, the divine hiddenness, lack of strong evidence made me an atheist and secular; however, I do flip back and forth between atheism and secular pantheism.

[Excited Penguin]

If you were ever a theist/believer, what led you to no longer believe? Not looking to preach, that’s not my thing and it’s against rules anyway, but just curious. I remember my own journey over the past few years with it all, and just thought it’d be interesting to hear your ‘stories’ if you were once believers before identifying as an atheist. 

I can't remember if replied to this or not.  I stop being a Christian theist over seven years ago. I think the problem of suffering, the divine hiddenness, lack of strong evidence made me an atheist; however, I do flip back and forth between atheism and pantheism.

Can't help but notice how ridiculous that is. Pantheism - failure of language. That's all.

[robvalue]

There's a big difference between saying there might be a supernatural realm, and saying that not only is there one but you know things about it.

[Excited Penguin]

There's a big difference between saying there might be a supernatural real, and saying that not only is there one but you know things about it.

Yeah, not really. Both are impossible by definition.

[Pizza]

I can't remember if replied to this or not.  I stop being a Christian theist over seven years ago. I think the problem of suffering, the divine hiddenness, lack of strong evidence made me an atheist; however, I do flip back and forth between atheism and pantheism.

Can't help but notice how ridiculous that is. Pantheism - failure of language. That's all.

Which is why I call myself an atheist and not a pantheist. It's funny how many atheists buy into Christian views about gods. Weird. If I wanted to mindfuck a Christian using the ontological argument, I'd just say their god isn't the greatest conceivable being, the pantheistic god is. Why? Because the pantheistic god is the sum of all existing things. It doesn't get any greater than that.

[Excited Penguin]

No, the pantheistic god is nothing but a failed synonym of the word universe. Why would you use an argument that is faulty to begin with? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical.