How honest should parents be?

[Ravenshire]

If I ever adopt a child (I'm not having my own), I think I'll just tell half-truths until I think they're old enough to handle it. Not outright lies, but just with-holding the nastier bits until I think they can take it.

On certain things (like politics or religion) I'd want them to learn for themselves and come to their own conclusions

With all due respect, that's a bad idea. Certain things should be taught, as there is no reason not to, since they are clearly the truth. I can think of numerous things about politics and religion that you should teach your kids about, for fear of your fucked up society to indoctrinate them into problematic beliefs. It would be a good idea to be sure to examine your own political and religious beliefs before you do so, though, of course, and see if they stand up to scrutiny.

You need to learn a little about real life before you have kids. Personally, I hope you never do.

[paulpablo]

The pattern is there

Clearly not.

I joined pages ago and see myself siding with whom everyone hates.

Not having children is no reason that individual cannot give advice.

I agree with the point about not having children is no reason why that individual can't give advice, but I think EP just has some dopey ways of putting his arguments across while, I don't have a personal argument with him but telling someone they can no longer talk with you because you just won't understand is a pretty crap way of dealing with two reasonable questions.

[Silver]

Foot, meet mouth.

Why do you bother jumping in before discovering what we are even talking about.

I corrected myself.

[Silver]

I agree with the point about not having children is no reason why that individual can't give advice, but I think EP just has some dopey ways of putting his arguments across while

I agree, now that some kind soul gave me a synopsis of the thread.

[Excited Penguin]

I'm honestly missing the problem with the penguin here.  It just seems like a gang attack at this point.

Basically Thena stated that she warned her children about wandering off with strangers and so on by explaining what happens to children who go missing without being too graphic about it.

EP then stated that Thena probably shouldn't have done this because it might be too graphic for them, then he stated that because Thena said she explained it in a way that was not too graphic he thought that this means she did in fact explain it in a way that was too graphic.

He then said people shouldn't have children if they can't afford to keep children in a safe environment.

To which I asked what does a safe environment have to do with the topic of kidnappers or child molesters in general, since they can be anywhere public. 

I also asked why he would think that Thena saying she explained this to her children in a not too graphic way might mean to him that she explained it in a way that was too graphic, taking into consideration that he wasn't there and it's a totally baseless assumption of his and he only knows about the situation because Thena explained it to him and in the way she explained it to him she explicitly said she told them in a non graphic way.

His answer to both my questions was that I wouldn't understand and that I lack nuance.

I can also guarantee my posts lack any sort of personal insult.

Your obtuseness is mind boggling. I can't explain every single little detail you fail to notice. We wouldn't get very far that way. And furthermore, you would have the advantage of somehow steering the conversation away from its essence to concentrate on particular things that make up the whole picture in order to attack me on those. Which still wouldn't address my initial point. I'm ready to admit I should be more explicit in my statements, and I try to do that, but you've got to meet me halfway and pay more attention to the context.

[paulpablo]

I agree with the point about not having children is no reason why that individual can't give advice, but I think EP just has some dopey ways of putting his arguments across while

I agree, now that some kind soul gave me a synopsis of the thread.

That was really just my experience of the thread and my convo I didn't follow the rest, I'm pretty self absorbed like that, I just focused on what my points and questions were.

[Ravenshire]

 
 it's impossible to always keep an eye on your children. It would mean following them for the first 12 years of their life, It's common for children of 11 or 12 to take public transport on their own and be miles away from parents and go where they want.

Thena said she told her kids precisely what happens (without being too graphic) about what happens when children are kidnapped.

So now you're saying well that might be over doing it because it might be too graphic, well she specifically said she explained it without being too graphic.

So you're arguing about something which was specifically already dealt with in the first post which you were replying to.

If you can't afford to bring up your kids in a safe environment you shouldn't have them to begin with. Otherwise you're just risking them dying because of your own negligence and to make things worse, fucking them up in the process of trying to get around that.

Statistics matter. Where you live matters. The crime rate matters. Your own means matter. All of these things matter when planning to have and raise a child.

The way she said it implied she was graphic, so graphic even as to feel the need to point out she was not too graphic, which seems graphic enough to raise concerns. Is there anything else?

Would you please rage quit again? Barring that, I hope the mods see what a troll you ate and ban your ass.

[Losty]

How you get away with this level of trolling.... You managed to suck me in EP
Thanks for reminding me that you're actually just an annoying troll. You're going under TrueChristian on my list of people who get nothing but cactus and lube

[Ravenshire]

Oh boy.

Oh, fuck, you're right. That is such a good point. I'm such a dumbass, please forgive me.

Good to see that you recognize your personal failures. Not up to us to forgive them though.

[Silver]

Penguin, can you give me a simple bulletin of how parenting should be enacted?