Catholics vs. Evangelicals?

[green.joel2]

Okay, I've heard a bunch of atheists and a few Catholics talk about what Evangelical Christians believe or do not believe.  First off, you have to understand what a Christian is and what a Christian is not.  Christian is a term that means 'little Christ'.  Therefore, a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.  Second, since the Bible, and Jesus, teaches that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ Jesus alone.  The RCC does not teach this doctrine, which is the single only thing that makes one a Christian.  All other doctrines are secondary, are not essential for salvation.  So, therefore, the premise of this post is based on a false assumption.  Next, the term evangelist refers to someone who shares their beliefs.  Therefore, any Christian, as defined above, who shares their faith, is in fact, an Evangelical Christian.

Now, you know which is worst.  Evangelicals are far worst, because, out of love, we wish that no one will suffer for eternity.  If you were drowning, would you want someone to throw you a life preserver,  even though you don't believe in life preservers? Out of love, we must throw that life preserver to those who are drowning.  Not only does our God wish it, but we, who know the love of Christ, wish to love our neighbors to the point that they understand the need for a Savior and turn to Christ and live.

[vorlon13]

I generally start the christian fealty evaluation by ascertaining whether or not a claimant can handle deadly serpents and drink poison to no ill affect.

As for following the teachings of Christ, well, I guess green.joel2 has a sense of humor.

[KevinM1]

You could believe in the Blessed Moon Goat LaaaHaaaBraaa and this atheist still wouldn't care.

[SteelCurtain]

Now, you know which is worst.  Evangelicals are far worst, because, out of love, we wish that no one will suffer for eternity.  If you were drowning, would you want someone to throw you a life preserver,  even though you don't believe in life preservers? Out of love, we must throw that life preserver to those who are drowning.  Not only does our God wish it, but we, who know the love of Christ, wish to love our neighbors to the point that they understand the need for a Savior and turn to Christ and live.

You have it mostly correct. Evangelicals are worse because they make the moronic assumption that we don't accept your claim because we haven't heard about it at all or enough, or just haven't evaluated it properly.

To use your analogy, you are throwing a life preserver that promptly sinks to the bottom.

[athrock]

Now, you know which is worst.  Evangelicals are far worst, because, out of love, we wish that no one will suffer for eternity.  If you were drowning, would you want someone to throw you a life preserver,  even though you don't believe in life preservers? Out of love, we must throw that life preserver to those who are drowning.  Not only does our God wish it, but we, who know the love of Christ, wish to love our neighbors to the point that they understand the need for a Savior and turn to Christ and live.

You have it mostly correct. Evangelicals are worse because they make the moronic assumption that we don't accept your claim because we haven't heard about it at all or enough, or just haven't evaluated it properly.

Some have heard and disagree, but it may be that some have heard the claim, have evaluated it properly, and simply don't want to abide by it.

To use your analogy, you are throwing a life preserver that promptly sinks to the bottom.

Bad logic. If it sinks, then it's not actually a life preserver, is it?

And just out of curiosity, how is it that the message that theists extend (I don't really care which flavor you choose - Bahai, Jehovah's Witness or Sourthern Baptist) actually kills the recipient of that message? (I've never really understood the "religion ruins everything" thing...sounds like a marketing slogan for people who don't think much beyond soundbites.)

[SteelCurtain]

You have it mostly correct. Evangelicals are worse because they make the moronic assumption that we don't accept your claim because we haven't heard about it at all or enough, or just haven't evaluated it properly.

Some have heard and disagree, but it may be that some have heard the claim, have evaluated it properly, and simply don't want to abide by it.

I spend a lot of time around atheists, I have yet to meet one of these special flowers who believes in jeebus but is just playing neener neener. You must introduce me to one.

To use your analogy, you are throwing a life preserver that promptly sinks to the bottom.

Bad logic. If it sinks, then it's not actually a life preserver, is it?

Ding ding ding! That was sort of the point.

And just out of curiosity, how is it that the message that theists extend (I don't really care which flavor you choose - Bahai, Jehovah's Witness or Sourthern Baptist) actually kills the recipient of that message? (I've never really understood the "religion ruins everything" thing...sounds like a marketing slogan for people who don't think much beyond soundbites.)

When you waste a single second praying when you could actually do something, I consider that pretty awful. When you waste this one chance you have at life prostrate towards something that you merely wish existed, that's terrible to me. When you teach children that ignorance is preferable to knowledge, that willful ignorance is a lauded state, and that those that spend their lives being inquisitive, asking tough questions, and finding out are morally inferior to you, that's repugnant. When you avail yourself to the terrible misogyny, xenophobia, racism, and homophobia that is rife within religious texts and clerics, then I consider that a pretty scathing indictment on religion.

It puts up a damn fine effort at ruining everything it touches.

[Mr Greene]

Okay, I've heard a bunch of atheists and a few Catholics talk about what Evangelical Christians believe or do not believe.  First off, you have to understand what a Christian is and what a Christian is not.  Christian is a term that means 'little Christ'.  Therefore, a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.  Second, since the Bible, and Jesus, teaches that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ Jesus alone.  The RCC does not teach this doctrine, which is the single only thing that makes one a Christian.  All other doctrines are secondary, are not essential for salvation. 

Actually christian means follower of jesus, and the bible is not the sole source of information that certain protestant groups like to claim. Churches tend to be dishonest like that.
Indeed the basic premise of being saved through faith alone renders the entire concept  to be an immoral doctrine as morality can only be expressed via works.
The bolded statement is categorically false and indicates that you've been indoctrinated via dishonest means.

As for what we're talking about, it would be the excuses for people that claim that science/evolution/big bang theory is some sort of conspiracy, that atheism is a religion/conspiracy, that LGBT people shouldn't have equal rights, possibly attacked on sight, that they are some sort of conspiracy or demoniacally possessed that women and children should be beaten for disobedience, that contraception and abortion should be banned, that the poor should be left to starve, that the mentally ill are demoniacally possessed and should be subjected to torture to expell the supposed demons, that muslims are taking over Europe, that catholics aren't christians, that the end of the world is imminent and they personally are one of 10,000 immortals who will judge everyone else. They're invariably so conceited they think their interpretation of scriptures is the only valid one and that, and I quote;

If you were a true chistian you would agree with me!

  
What's really striking is that their statements are frequently identical, word for word, it's almost like you can copy paste them and not spot the difference.

[vorlon13]

Ouch.

'Following Christ' is a VERY tall order for today's Christians.  If Jesus knows what's good for Him, He'll line up behind His followers, because that is the only way He will be allowed to participate in His religion.

As Joseph Smith and Martin Luther would say, "Welcome to the club, grumble grumble".

[Crossless2.0]

I find Evangelicals to be much more obnoxious than most Catholics I've known (if I was raised in Belfast, perhaps I'd see that a bit differently, but this is my blinkered American experience of it).

And until the Evangelicals give civilization one item of continued cultural importance to compare with Catholicism (architecture, great music, the Protestant version of the Catholic schoolgirl outfit), I'll tentatively prefer the Catholics. In any case, I'd much rather drink with Catholics.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Ffs