RE: Old Style Evie/Why "gods" are bullshit.
January 12, 2016 at 11:26 pm
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2016 at 11:27 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
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Old Style Evie/Why "gods" are bullshit.
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 (January 12, 2016 at 2:13 pm)robvalue Wrote: The biggest problem comes with people's refusal to stop after "creator of our reality". Seriously. Stop there, and we can talk sensibly. Wibble on for another hour about all these ridiculous qualities it is supposed to have and awards it has given itself, what it's not made out of, and a list of excuses why science can't find it, and the conversation is going to be difficult. If I summarized the above point as "Deism makes more sense than any form of theism beyond that." would you find that to be a fair representation of it? RE: Old Style Evie/Why "gods" are bullshit.
January 12, 2016 at 11:57 pm
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2016 at 11:58 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I wonder how we'd determine which position, on the existence of fairies, makes more sense? Does the deist null value weigh more than the theist null value?
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 (January 12, 2016 at 11:26 pm)Evie Wrote:(January 12, 2016 at 2:40 am)Thena323 Wrote: Evie's more than a good time guy/Turtley piece of man candy. Dude...Really? Stop it. We've been through this! 
OP - The usual but then *snip* we don't have free-will.*snip*
Atheists - Applaud. Eh, am I missing something? Do people applauding not believe they have free-will? Is that another delusion we got to get rid of? RE: Old Style Evie/Why "gods" are bullshit.
January 13, 2016 at 12:42 am
(This post was last modified: January 13, 2016 at 12:43 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(January 13, 2016 at 12:12 am)Thena323 Wrote:(January 12, 2016 at 11:26 pm)Evie Wrote: (My bolding) Not really! It's one thing that you've made it clear that you think I'm an attractive guy... it's quite another to describe me as a "piece of man candy"  
(January 12, 2016 at 11:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I wonder how we'd determine which position, on the existence of fairies, makes more sense? Does the deist null value weigh more than the theist null value? Technically I think they're one and the same null position. All deists are theists. But not all theists are deists. 
In Psalm 82:6 (CEV) everyone is a god. “I, the Most High God, say that all of you are gods and also my own children."
The issue may be confusing because there is no invisible celestial deity. In the Bible the God character was the series of men who ruled the dominant empire in the Middle East area. All of the other kings and rulers were lesser gods. We are all gods of various kinds and with various powers. We all have the power to create and to destroy, to love and to forgive, to hate and to punish, to reward and to deny. Just because we lack the power to create a universe doesn't mean that we can't create other wonders. National rulers are our gods in name and in deed. Their actions decide whether we live or die. They send their angels (bureaucrats, police, military) after the evil people among us and against our foreign enemies who would destroy us. They protect and punish us and they may even forgive us. But although they have classic godly powers they are just humans like us, with their own strengths and weaknesses. Some are good, others are real scumbags. Some rule with rods of iron, others rule with golden words. Disobey them and you will find yourself in hell.  (January 12, 2016 at 11:50 pm)Evie Wrote:(January 12, 2016 at 2:13 pm)robvalue Wrote: The biggest problem comes with people's refusal to stop after "creator of our reality". Seriously. Stop there, and we can talk sensibly. Wibble on for another hour about all these ridiculous qualities it is supposed to have and awards it has given itself, what it's not made out of, and a list of excuses why science can't find it, and the conversation is going to be difficult. I think that's a good summary, yes But I find even the word "deism" is loaded because it implies not just a creator, but a deity. What the difference is, I have no idea. But I doubt many people would call me a deity for creating artificial realities such as computer programs, which may somehow become sentient. I'm not sure exactly what the average deist thinks and whether it is more than just a creator. Feel free to send me a private message.
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