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Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
#11
RE: Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
(January 27, 2016 at 1:17 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2...paign=news

Ammon Bundy and a bunch of his friends were arrested tonight.

Apparently only one of the Y'allqueda militants lived up to his word that he'd not go without a fight. He was killed in the operation.

Wait, the PO-lice shot a white guy?

What went wrong?

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#12
RE: Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
(January 27, 2016 at 1:55 am)scoobysnack Wrote: Can't say I agree with their tactics, but this kind of comes down to a grazing issue, where it all started. The guys burned some land to build a fire berm to prevent move grazing land from being burned which the cattle were grazing on. This of course is federal land, which you would think belongs to the people of the US, but it really doesnt. Citizens are given grazing rights, which in some cases have been grandfathered in since before the federal government acquired the land, but are now being told they can't use the land.

Wrong, wrong, and, yeah, you guessed it, wrong.

The holdouts weren't the ones who were convicted and jailed. The jailed convicts, in fact, had their lawyer disavow any connection to Bundy and his gang of dipshits.

Secondly, simply because land is owned by the Federal Government, that doesn't mean that any citizen can move in on it. Do you really want people homesteading in MX silos? Think about what you're typing before you press "enter".

Thirdly, the band taking over the wildlife sanctuary had no grazing rights granted to them there.

Your post is a multilevel failure.

/Thumpsnack

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#13
RE: Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
Fuck the Bundy's and Fuck the FBI, shame there wasn't any FBI agents harmed.
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#14
RE: Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
The conspiracies about the one dead guy are already out. In other news Elvis is still alive.
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#15
RE: Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
(January 27, 2016 at 10:45 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Fuck the Bundy's and Fuck the FBI, shame there wasn't any FBI agents harmed.

The fuck?
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RE: Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
(January 27, 2016 at 11:27 am)Iroscato Wrote:
(January 27, 2016 at 10:45 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Fuck the Bundy's and Fuck the FBI, shame there wasn't any FBI agents harmed.

The fuck?

I think it's fairly obvious I dislike both sides here. Fuck 'em.
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#17
RE: Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
What about the rights of the Native Americans whose land (protected under federal jurisdiction) was desecrated by these drunk assholes and their bags of dicks?

Also the man who died, as far as I understand, is aCtuaLLy the 'bag of dicks' dude who literally held his own family up by gunpoint in the middle of the night and kidnapped his own children, whom he had abandoned to the children's grandparents. what a complete and absolute joke that these people were allowed to leave the compound once they 'took it over', much less receive visitors, go take hot showers at hotels, receive mail, and pave a road through the Wildlife Sanctuary. Some people need held accountable in the police or FBI force, for the severe neglect of the situation.
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#18
RE: Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
I don't hate the FBI for their actions against the Bundy's or any of these rancher types. I hate the FBI and pretty much every other law enforcement agency (all around the world) for other reasons, particularly their surveillance against journalists and activists.

I also hate the Bundy's and any of their "associates" who helped occupy this wildlife refuge/government building because they are fucking idiots.
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#19
RE: Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
Ah!

When the going got tough this pussy took off.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/high-pro...ring-trap/


Quote:High-profile militant Jon Ritzheimer flees home to Arizona hours before feds spring trap


Reminds me of the old Abbot and Costello bit where they are soldiers and Costello says:

" I was always where the bullets were thickest."

"Where was that?" asks Abbot.

"Underneath the ammunition truck."
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#20
RE: Ammon Bundy, six others arrested
(January 27, 2016 at 11:33 am)Bella Morte Wrote:
(January 27, 2016 at 11:27 am)Iroscato Wrote: The fuck?

I think it's fairly obvious I dislike both sides here. Fuck 'em.

Nope sorry, there is no such thing as a utopia. Government will happen, open or closed, pluralistic or fascist, because humans seek power and social order.

The government should not be blindly trusted, no, that is why we have a system of checks and balances and free press to act as the police of government. But to never trust government at all is simply paranoia.

And when people talk like you just did, they never think about what would happen if you suddenly got rid of government. Well here is the reality, it creates a power vacuum, and during that vacuum you get competing camps competing to fill that void. Nobody ever thinks that if they were to get rid of government, what will arise as far as power, and that doesn't always end up the way the idealist wants it to.

The Russian revolution was started because of resource inequality and that ended up with the monster of Stalin. Che took advantage of the plight of the poor and ended up with a one party dictatorship in Cuba and the Castro Family. Even with the Middle east, far too many in the west, especially the warmongering right, thought by busting the current theocrats and tyrants, that democracy would arise and be stable.

You don't trust government? Ok fine, what would you set up if you could? Because even that would still be run by fallible humans who could game it to a monopoly and become abusive too.

I don't like the current monopoly of wealth on politics, but I don't want to get rid of all wealth and all the private sector either. 

"Capitalism" is not a form of government. Saudi Arabia has global business ownership and investments in banks and weapons. Gadaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in GE. China's communist party is a form of "authoritarian capitalism". And I am quite sure both Kim Jong Un's family and the Castro family have global investments.

Now again, lets say we suddenly got rid of our current system, what would you replace it with and HOW. And could you guarantee that a new form of monopoly, political or religious or business would not arise out of the ashes of what you would defeat?
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