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RE: God: The Great Tempter
February 21, 2016 at 9:53 pm
(February 21, 2016 at 9:37 pm)Lek Wrote: (February 21, 2016 at 9:29 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: If your god had not put the tree in the garden in the first place and deprived Adam from the knowledge that what he was doing was evil, there would be no need for god's so called son.
Think of a doctor who gives you something to make you sick, then expects you to feel grateful when he gives you something to cure the sickness he caused.
Depends on how he wants to form us to be ready for eternity. This is either going to lead to the all powerful god who has all these things he has to do because he's really not all powerful. Or it may lead to the god has a plan hypothesis. In other words, the end justifies the means.
Feel free to take your argument in some other equally preposterous direction.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: God: The Great Tempter
February 21, 2016 at 9:53 pm
If Christianity were true, I'd suspect that Satan was created just to be a scapegoat.
It reminds me of that Little Caesars Commercial with the corporate scapegoat. "I, Chett Wallaby acted alone in taking away your Bacon Wrapped Deep Dish pizza..."
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RE: God: The Great Tempter
February 21, 2016 at 10:04 pm
(February 21, 2016 at 8:46 pm)Lek Wrote: I always thought it meant to lead us away from temptation. Remember we're translating Greek and they didn't always put things exactly as we do in English.
Wouldn't that be more our fault than theirs?
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RE: God: The Great Tempter
February 21, 2016 at 10:07 pm
(February 21, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Lek Wrote: (February 21, 2016 at 9:20 pm)Chad32 Wrote: And that's supposed to be better? Either way his idea of a solution to a problem is something dying.
I think it's good that Jesus died to take care of it.
You think it's good for an innocent person to die in place of the guilty? That seems like one of the biggest breaches of justice I can think of.
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RE: God: The Great Tempter
February 21, 2016 at 10:10 pm
(February 21, 2016 at 9:45 pm)Lek Wrote: (February 21, 2016 at 9:43 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: I generally stay away from people who think it's good when somebody dies.
If I give my life to save a group of people is that bad?
Society crucified him for a better society! Jesus didn't sacrifice anything.
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RE: God: The Great Tempter
February 21, 2016 at 10:11 pm
(February 21, 2016 at 9:46 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (February 21, 2016 at 9:14 pm)Lek Wrote: Actually, that's not true. He doesn't kill us for stepping out of line. He leads us to his son, who has paid the penalty for us stepping out of line.
Who pays the penalty when God succumbs to our temptations?
God doesn't succumb to our temptations. In reality God kills us all. We all die; and that's according to his will. Dying in itself isn't evil, but it does come as a result of our sins. It is evil, though, for us to disobey God's will and to commit murder. Of course, if we truly loved our neighbors as Jesus told us to do, we wouldn't commit murder.
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RE: God: The Great Tempter
February 21, 2016 at 10:13 pm
(February 21, 2016 at 10:07 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (February 21, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Lek Wrote: I think it's good that Jesus died to take care of it.
You think it's good for an innocent person to die in place of the guilty? That seems like one of the biggest breaches of justice I can think of.
Seems that way to you, but if were talking God here, he created our world, not you.
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RE: God: The Great Tempter
February 21, 2016 at 10:17 pm
(February 21, 2016 at 10:13 pm)Lek Wrote: (February 21, 2016 at 10:07 pm)Chad32 Wrote: You think it's good for an innocent person to die in place of the guilty? That seems like one of the biggest breaches of justice I can think of.
Seems that way to you, but if were talking God here, he created our world, not you.
Hence why I'm not a christian anymore. problems like this.
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RE: God: The Great Tempter
February 21, 2016 at 10:20 pm
(February 21, 2016 at 10:17 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (February 21, 2016 at 10:13 pm)Lek Wrote: Seems that way to you, but if were talking God here, he created our world, not you.
Hence why I'm not a christian anymore. problems like this.
If you believe in the God of christianity there is no problem with this. The question concerns why God tempts, so the OP is presuming the existence of God.
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RE: God: The Great Tempter
February 22, 2016 at 1:34 am
(February 21, 2016 at 10:11 pm)Lek Wrote: (February 21, 2016 at 9:46 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Who pays the penalty when God succumbs to our temptations?
God doesn't succumb to our temptations. In reality God kills us all. We all die; and that's according to his will. Dying in itself isn't evil, but it does come as a result of our sins. It is evil, though, for us to disobey God's will and to commit murder. Of course, if we truly loved our neighbors as Jesus told us to do, we wouldn't commit murder.
Are you sure about that? People can tempt God whenever they want to. You really need to read your favorite ethnocentric Middle Eastern religious fairy tale.
Deuteronomy 6:16 (NKJV) = “You shall not tempt the Lord your God as you tempted Him in Massah."
Psalm 78:18 (KJV) = "And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust."
Psalm 78:41 (KJV) = "Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel."
Psalm 78:56 (KJV) = "Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:"
Psalm 106:14 (KJV) = "But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness, and tempted God in the desert."
Malachi 3:15 (KJV) = "And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered."
Sirach 18:23 (RSV) = "Before making a vow, prepare yourself; and do not be like a man who tempts the Lord."
Acts 15:10 (KJV) = "Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"
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