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RE: Still struggling.
March 8, 2016 at 8:38 pm
Just ask uncomfortable but earnest questions. Don't let them off the hook when they hand wave and shift the goalposts. This always shut down the Bible study cure in my house. My mother didn't know how to cope with questions that made her brain hurt.
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RE: Still struggling.
March 8, 2016 at 9:09 pm
Oh boy, this should be FUN!!!
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March 8, 2016 at 9:55 pm
Yes, I'm sure going over the same fiction over and over will magically make it reality....
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March 9, 2016 at 3:29 am
I like to compare bs with actual fiction...
Like Darth Vader's use of the force choke... Sylar curing a brain defect...Hermione fixing Harry's glasses...
I'm sure there's a parallel for any biblical story...
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March 9, 2016 at 9:47 pm
Okay, around a year or two ago, I was supposed to have my Tonsils out and have general Anesthesia. Some girl died on the table during a tonsils operation and my parents didn't wanna risk it, I never had my tonsils out. Fast Forward to today, I learned I had a very rare gene that makes Anesthesia lethal to me. I would have died if I had my tonsils out. My mom says God did it, I disagree, but I guess I am luckier than I thought.
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March 9, 2016 at 10:41 pm
Also, this is in my recommendations. Anyone have a rebuttal? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRVY-lIuQfo
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March 9, 2016 at 10:50 pm
(March 9, 2016 at 9:47 pm)GeneralDog Wrote: Okay, around a year or two ago, I was supposed to have my Tonsils out and have general Anesthesia. Some girl died on the table during a tonsils operation and my parents didn't wanna risk it, I never had my tonsils out. Fast Forward to today, I learned I had a very rare gene that makes Anesthesia lethal to me. I would have died if I had my tonsils out. My mom says God did it, I disagree, but I guess I am luckier than I thought.
Did a trained medical professional tell you that, or your mom?
I'm really not trying to be a dick, but with the prevalence of a complete lack of trust in medical science by religious fundamentalists and the fact that your mother and brother have a vested interest in bringing you back into the fold, I remain skeptical.
I'm not saying that some kind of rare genetic disorder that makes anesthesia lethal doesn't exist, rather I'm saying that for your sake (not only for your right to believe or not believe in whatever you wish, but also for your long term physical health) you need to be absolutely sure about this. Take it from someone that's had 45 (with likely more in the future) surgical procedures under general anesthesia. That kind of claim isn't something to screw around with.
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March 9, 2016 at 11:12 pm
(March 9, 2016 at 10:50 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: (March 9, 2016 at 9:47 pm)GeneralDog Wrote: Okay, around a year or two ago, I was supposed to have my Tonsils out and have general Anesthesia. Some girl died on the table during a tonsils operation and my parents didn't wanna risk it, I never had my tonsils out. Fast Forward to today, I learned I had a very rare gene that makes Anesthesia lethal to me. I would have died if I had my tonsils out. My mom says God did it, I disagree, but I guess I am luckier than I thought.
Did a trained medical professional tell you that, or your mom?
I'm really not trying to be a dick, but with the prevalence of a complete lack of trust in medical science by religious fundamentalists and the fact that your mother and brother have a vested interest in bringing you back into the fold, I remain skeptical.
I'm not saying that some kind of rare genetic disorder that makes anesthesia lethal doesn't exist, rather I'm saying that for your sake (not only for your right to believe or not believe in whatever you wish, but also for your long term physical health) you need to be absolutely sure about this. Take it from someone that's had 45 (with likely more in the future) surgical procedures under general anesthesia. That kind of claim isn't something to screw around with.
Mom and dad told me I have the gene, they learned from the doctor. My grandmother broke her hip and she needed surgery. That's how they learned.
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RE: Still struggling.
March 9, 2016 at 11:23 pm
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(March 9, 2016 at 10:41 pm)GeneralDog Wrote: Also, this is in my recommendations. Anyone have a rebuttal? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRVY-lIuQfo
It's a humungous pile of dessicating, wormy, and fly-eaten shit delivered by a cavalcade of festering assholes. It can be dismissed out of hand because it does absolutely nothing other than slander atheists. The entirety of this massive time-waster, which I couldn't stand to watch more than a quarter of can be summed up as "I was an atheist, I'm not one now, and you shouldn't be one ever". It may offer anecdotal "life-changing events" or other such reasons why anyone would change his mind, or it may offer pure argument with no substance behind it - the more of this crap that you see, the more you'll understand that there is never, ever any variance from the rule that every one of these "I was a mad, bad atheist" bits is nothing more than an aggressive advertising gambit with nothing more intellectually ethical than a pyramid scheme spam email, a late-night infomercial, or a mudslinging campaign ad for Trump. They exist for the one reason that the people who make them don't like atheists, because we offer better ideas to the world then those in which they have invested their dishonest stock in trade.
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March 10, 2016 at 12:22 am
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(March 9, 2016 at 11:12 pm)GeneralDog Wrote: Mom and dad told me I have the gene, they learned from the doctor. My grandmother broke her hip and she needed surgery. That's how they learned.
They learned from a doctor that told them their son has a gene based on the fact that grandmother has a gene? Sorry, GDog, but that's horseshit.
There's a reason why people with hereditary Huntington's disease still have to have the gene marker identified before they are diagnosed. Which means that your parents are either lying to you or vastly misinterpreted what the doctor told them. If grandmother has the gene and neither mom nor dad express the gene, then you have nominally a 1 in 8 chance of just carrying the gene, depending on a lot of factors, but that's the simplest calculation. And just because you carry the gene does not mean that the gene expresses itself.
A quick pubmed search shows that the defective gene (if the same one) causes a condition called malignant hyperthermia, where general anesthesia causes fever and muscle contraction, and 5% of the time it can be fatal. The test for the disease is removing a 2-3" strip of muscle from your thigh.
So, unless you've had a strip of muscle out of your thigh, you don't know if you have this gene. It's hyper rare.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2360775/
Your parents are trying to scare you back into their religion. The use of fear and emotional leveraging rather than evidence is a signal that it's all bullshit.
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