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Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
#21
RE: Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
(February 17, 2016 at 9:03 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The primary intent for torture is to ensure compliance.  You get compliance by creating fear.  It's foolish to get tortured and then start talking.

Yes ... it's better to tell them what they want to hear first.

That still doesn't ensure truthfulness.

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#22
RE: Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
Perhaps Trump should be voluntarily waterboarded as the Hitch allowed himself to be.

Might see just how unpleasant it is and then realise how ineffective it is.

Or perhaps not.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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#23
RE: Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
(February 17, 2016 at 9:30 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Perhaps Trump should be voluntarily waterboarded as the Hitch allowed himself to be.

Might see just how unpleasant it is and then realise how ineffective it is.

Or perhaps not.

Perhaps it should be involuntary, in order to more closely simulate real-world conditions. Perhaps it should happen for a few months running, for the same reason. Perhaps he might accidentally succumb in the process.

Well, we can always dream, right?

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#24
RE: Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
(February 17, 2016 at 9:38 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(February 17, 2016 at 9:30 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Perhaps Trump should be voluntarily waterboarded as the Hitch allowed himself to be.

Might see just how unpleasant it is and then realise how ineffective it is.

Or perhaps not.

Perhaps it should be involuntary, in order to more closely simulate real-world conditions. Perhaps it should happen for a few months running, for the same reason. Perhaps he might accidentally succumb in the process.

Well, we can always dream, right?

If ONLY I could.

And then we could also get Cruz.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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#25
RE: Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
(February 17, 2016 at 9:38 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(February 17, 2016 at 9:30 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Perhaps Trump should be voluntarily waterboarded as the Hitch allowed himself to be.

Might see just how unpleasant it is and then realise how ineffective it is.

Or perhaps not.

Perhaps it should be involuntary, in order to more closely simulate real-world conditions. Perhaps it should happen for a few months running, for the same reason. Perhaps he might accidentally succumb in the process.

Well, we can always dream, right?

No fan of revenge, I just want Trump and the current GOP field to go away and shut the fuck up.
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#26
RE: Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
The thing about Fear... people will tell you what you want to hear. They'll make something up if they have to.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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RE: Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
(February 17, 2016 at 9:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(February 17, 2016 at 9:38 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Perhaps it should be involuntary, in order to more closely simulate real-world conditions. Perhaps it should happen for a few months running, for the same reason. Perhaps he might accidentally succumb in the process.

Well, we can always dream, right?

No fan of revenge, I just want Trump and the current GOP field to go away and shut the fuck up.

I don't advocate for revenge, but I do think the doctor ought to taste his own prescription.

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#28
RE: Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
Whether it works or not, it's barbaric. That's the only reason I need to oppose it.
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#29
RE: Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
(February 17, 2016 at 9:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(February 17, 2016 at 7:56 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: The latest NBC/WSJ poll now has him behind Cruz nationally. The Republicans might be starting to realize Trump is unelectable. I was hoping they wouldn't figure that out until after they nominated him.

Some of these polls just have to be wrong.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/donald-t...onal-poll/

Quote:Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump has raced out to a 20-point lead over his nearest 2016 GOP rival in a national poll released Wednesday that showed him pick up 8 points of support since earlier this month.

Mr. Trump was at 39 percent in the Quinnipiac University poll, followed by Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida at 19 percent and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas at 18 percent.

This latest one came after the torture remarks. That may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. I hope not. I really want to see this guy nominated because either of the Dems would have to fuck-up extremely bad to lose to him. He's burying himself.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

Albert Einstein
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RE: Donald Dumpster "Torture works"
(February 17, 2016 at 10:37 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(February 17, 2016 at 9:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No fan of revenge, I just want Trump and the current GOP field to go away and shut the fuck up.

I don't advocate for revenge, but I do think the doctor ought to taste his own prescription.

I agree. In fact, I'd like to see all of these armchair tough-guy-wannabes running for office (and their fucking supporters) subjected to a couple of pages out of the SERE training playbook -- followed by some remedial education in international law. The discourse in this country would be elevated immediately.
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