The problem of evil/suffering when it comes to children

[robvalue]

Indeed.

That attitude makes this life meaningless as well. It's just somewhere to go, and it doesn't really matter whether you live here 100 years or get beaten to death at age 1 while God watches and wanks himself off.

Of course, even people who spout this rubbish don't actually live like it's true. Except the really crazy ones.

[Ravenshire]

Again two dimensional thinking.

How is being called back home to a God that loves you doing nothing?

Because he allowed the child be abused and die from his injuries.  It's hard for me to believe that I once subscribed to this same twisted thought process.  You will rationalize anything to let God off the hook, even suggesting that allowing a child to be tortured is a justifiable and moral means to "call him home".  Why couldn't your omnipotent God have "called the child home" before he had to suffer the abuse?  You telling me that God can't do that, or just that he won't?

These are the same people who are against abortion despite believing in ensoulment at conception and the innocent being allowed into heaven, no question. Apparently a life of abuse, abject poverty, disease, severe mental or physical handicap, etc... after which they are "called home" is better than getting the call immediately. Sick, sick thinking.

[Whateverist]

"Rerouted to another host"? Sooo...you believe in reincarnation now? There's heaven and hell, and then there's reincarnation for a few random people? Did you hear or read this somewhere or are you just making it up because it sounds fluffy to you? You know some religions have purgatory, right? You could always jump on one of those bandwagons instead of pulling things out of your ass. At least then you could appeal to popularity to support your nonsense.

This isn't the first time Drich has resorted to ad hoc heresy.  Just sayin'.

Exactly.  I too find it amusing.

[Drich]

I hate to break it to you stinky, but God calls all of us home at some point or another.

Bold mine.

What proof do you have of this?

The non religious term for said proof is call "death." Maybe you've heard it said non of us will live forever, that we all die.
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

I know you're gonna say "God saved him by taking him to heaven," and to that I would say:

Actually I didn't.

This life is about choice, whether to be with God or spend eternity away from Him. That boy wasn't old enough to make that decision. So I believe that soul was re-routed to another host.

Okay, first of all, according to your god, he has a plan. So, no, there is no choice.

Never said that their is "no choice." I only said their is no 'free will' as the philosphy/doctrine of 'free will' describes. Jesus, Paul the NT all say we are slaves Either to Sin or to God. We have choice in so far as to chose whom or what we serve.

Second of all, if your god was so great and awesome, he could have spared the boy's life and sent the boy's father to hell for what he did.

To what end? Let's say God did save the boys life, but the beating he took was more than what he could mentally bear.. now this kid/person grows up damaged by this incodent. Not hippy whinny I got spanked as a kid because I was a little bastard all the time, but damaged in such a way as having no hope of living a normal life and can't understand why. It life so precious to you that living as 'damaged goods/being unhappy' is better than death?

Why would God make this person suffer if he can simply pull the boy from that situation and plug him back in some place else, with no damage, no residual from the beatings he took?

The reason 2 dimensional people do not like this option because they have no control or say over how and when this happens. It is a reminder that 'control' is not theirs to have. For a 2 dimensional person it is better to live life as a vegetable than to trust God to simply follow His nature.

Third - how can you say that your god called the boy home and then turn around and claim that his soul was sent to another host?

Again this is what I personally think based on what has been written. There are several instances in the bible where people have been/will be reincarnated. couple that with what the bible says our purpose in life is, then consider that a young Child has/can not full fill this stated purpose. Equals "being plugged back into another life." But again I have nothing directly supporting this, just personal speculation based on what God has done, is prophesied to do, and coupled with His nature and stated purpose of our existence pushes one conclusion. That said, God could just as easily give the kid a free pass into eternity.

Either the boy went "home", which is to imply with your god, which is to imply a place called "Heaven" or he didn't. Which is it? Stop moving your goalposts to suit your shitty views.

You're talking crazy and there's medication for that.

To be called home, does not mean we all get to stay. that is a wrong assumption on your part. That does not make me crazy, it just means you don't know as much as you think you do about biblical Christianity. Melchizedek, Elisha, Elijah, Moses All were prophesied to have come back as completely different people. 2 have (as Jesus and John the Baptist) and the other two will in the last days.

[Drich]

I hate to break it to you stinky,

OH SHIT SHOTS FIRED!!!

Where have you been? I made the transition from "Pinky" to Stinky like 4 or 5 posts ago.

Everyone dies, sure, but there's zero evidence for your assertion that it's because we're being "called home" by a supernatural being, which is what makes your views on this so fucked up. It's like trying to comfort a child by telling it that the dog that was put down today is now in a magical land of sunshine and ice cream that dogs can eat without getting sick. Sure, it might make the kid feel better, but it's a fucking lie, and if your kid takes that assumption into adulthood then congratulations on creating a fucking moron.

That's the thing.. Their is evidence. evidence in the testimonies of the people who went home and came back. I can tell you for them/us nothing more ever need be provided. Not only that God has not top shelved this evidence, He offers it to anyone who will simply humble themselves and A/S/K for it.

If you do not have it it is because you have not A/S/K God for it.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber.


You Christians really love your fallacious analogies, don't you? The difference there is that people actually see butterflies. There is evidence to establish what happens with butterflies. Conversely, there is no evidence that souls exist nor that they rise to heaven. What you're describing is more like seeing a caterpillar get squished under a boot and then saying to yourself "Oh, it's ok, he's a butterfly now...trust me."

And again, you too could also see this transformation. God has not reserved what he has given me to a few, but to everyone who approaches him on His terms.

This life is about choice, whether to be with God or spend eternity away from Him.

Indeed. It is found in the testimonies of those who gone and come back and we have confirmation in Scripture.

That boy wasn't old enough to make that decision.

Based on which Bible verse?
The bible does not directly speak of this specific boy.

However In Hebrews 4:12 We are told that Christ Himself (The Word of God/A name given to Christ in John 1:1)
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

In the end Christ will determine what this boy did and did not know and what he is responsible for.

So I believe that soul was re-routed to another host.

You beli...  


Wow, Drich. Just wow.


"Rerouted to another host"? Sooo...you believe in reincarnation now? There's heaven and hell, and then there's reincarnation for a few random people? Did you hear or read this somewhere or are you just making it up because it sounds fluffy to you? You know some religions have purgatory, right? You could always jump on one of those bandwagons instead of pulling things out of your ass. At least then you could appeal to popularity to support your nonsense.
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There are several examples in scripture of reincarnation.
I mentioned them in the above post.

[Drich]

Wow, alarm bells!

What does it matter when we die? We're all going home to god anyway?

Insane, dangerous religious thinking on display. It matters quite a lot if you're wrong about your totally unfounded premise.

But again who are you to say the primse is unfounded?

I go into detail here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-41554-page-2.html post 15

[Drich]

I don't know.  What if we're all just figments of the Dripster's imagination.  Sure wouldn't want to spend 'eternity' in his hell.

So long as God was with me. Hell would not be so bad.

Plus I get to see what most of you look like!!

[Drich]

Wow, alarm bells!

What does it matter when we die? We're all going home to god anyway?

Insane, dangerous religious thinking on display. It matters quite a lot if you're wrong about your totally unfounded premise.

It still matters even if he's right.  I have responsibilities, it matters.  That's always the way with religious nuts though, they get shit wrong regardless.

The problem with all man made religion is that it is wrong the vast majority of the time. You just have to learn to separate what God has left for us from religion, and do not mix the two. (Keep religion and what the bible says separate.)

When ever I go off the bible path I make it clear that the following are my thoughts and not scripturaly taught.

[abaris]

But again who are you to say the primse is unfounded?

And who are you, or your brethren in whoo, to say it's founded?

[Drich]

Because he allowed the child be abused and die from his injuries.  It's hard for me to believe that I once subscribed to this same twisted thought process.  You will rationalize anything to let God off the hook, even suggesting that allowing a child to be tortured is a justifiable and moral means to "call him home".  Why couldn't your omnipotent God have "called the child home" before he had to suffer the abuse?  You telling me that God can't do that, or just that he won't?

These are the same people who are against abortion despite believing in ensoulment at conception and the innocent being allowed into heaven, no question. Apparently a life of abuse, abject poverty, disease,  severe mental or physical handicap, etc... after which they are "called home" is better than getting the call immediately. Sick, sick thinking.

To suggest that abortion (infanticide) is on par on pulling a soul that has breached what it can absorb or endure is several steps beyond evil. How can you possibly compare what amounts to post sex birth control (where the parent(s) decide whether to be bothered with raising a child or not) To any of the love, knowledge, (of what this child will amount to/how he will be affected) or forethought God would put in before He call a child home?

Are you so detached from compassion for either the aborted baby or the beaten child that you can only see infant death, and not the planning or forethought that went into said deaths? Where is your empathy? or does empathy get a pass here because we are discussing something you personally have been brainwashed to feel no empathy for..