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RE: Godhead & theists
July 21, 2010 at 11:53 am
(July 19, 2010 at 4:56 pm)Godhead Wrote: But if god is the "creator" of everything, what could he have used to create with, if god is the only thing that exists (other than "things")? God doesn't need any preexisting materials to create but can create out of nothing.
His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:20 ESV
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RE: Godhead & theists
July 21, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Quote:God doesn't need any preexisting materials to create but can create out of nothing.
Any evidence?
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RE: Godhead & theists
July 21, 2010 at 12:18 pm
(July 21, 2010 at 12:12 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Quote:God doesn't need any preexisting materials to create but can create out of nothing.
Any evidence?
EvF
I'm guessing no.
Just another baseless assertion. ![[Image: goodmorning.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.rationalia.com%2Fforum%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fgoodmorning.gif)
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RE: Godhead & theists
July 21, 2010 at 12:30 pm
(July 21, 2010 at 11:53 am)theophilus Wrote: (July 19, 2010 at 4:56 pm)Godhead Wrote: But if god is the "creator" of everything, what could he have used to create with, if god is the only thing that exists (other than "things")? God doesn't need any preexisting materials to create but can create out of nothing.
Odin, Zeus, Osiris,john frum?
to which god are you referring?
(by the way john Frum is my favourite)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum
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RE: Godhead & theists
July 21, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Theophilus -
I agree that god "creates" out of "nothing", in the sense that it manifests itself out of potential (itself). Would you go with that or do you believe that god literally creates out of nothing?
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RE: Godhead & theists
July 21, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Would you also agree with me that you have no evidence?
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RE: Godhead & theists
July 21, 2010 at 1:10 pm
(July 21, 2010 at 1:04 pm)Godhead Wrote: Theophilus -
I agree that god "creates" out of "nothing", in the sense that it manifests itself out of potential (itself). Would you go with that or do you believe that god literally creates out of nothing?
Same place the easter bunny gets its chocolate?
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RE: Godhead & theists
July 21, 2010 at 1:15 pm
(July 21, 2010 at 12:12 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Quote:God doesn't need any preexisting materials to create but can create out of nothing.
Any evidence?
EvF
Of course not.
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RE: Godhead & theists
July 21, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Thanks Watson that was a good explanation, even though Shell B did not understand what you were saying it made perfect sense.
Godhead I again agree with Theophilus God created all out of nothing. Read the first chapter of Genesis I think you might be surprised at the number of times God did create, count them the answer is in the first chapter.
EvF what kind of evidence are you asking for, just look all around you, where do you think all that matter came from. Do you believe that it just manifested itself, now that would be a hard one to swallow.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Godhead & theists
July 21, 2010 at 4:36 pm
(July 21, 2010 at 4:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: EvF what kind of evidence are you asking for, just look all around you, where do you think all that matter came from. Do you believe that it just manifested itself, now that would be a hard one to swallow.
Oh, and I suppose a magical person who exists outside of time and space who has no beginning or end just thought one day, "You know, this dimensionless, timeless infinite void needs livening up a bit, think I'll create a universe!" makes far more sense 
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