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RE: Free will
May 27, 2016 at 8:17 am
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That's what we call it. Just like the moon is still the moon even if it doesn't happen to be made out of cheese. 
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RE: Free will
May 27, 2016 at 8:27 am
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(May 27, 2016 at 8:17 am)Rhythm Wrote: That's what we call it. Just like the moon is still the moon even if it doesn't happen to be made out of cheese.
So would you disagree with this?:
If God knows that you-as-a-thing-that-chooses-its-actions WILL choose action A, then there is no way that you-as-a-thing-that-chooses-its-actions WILL NOT choose action A.
Also, if you could quote me where I defined free will as the freedom to freely will a choice between a and a, I'd like to see it.
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RE: Free will
May 27, 2016 at 9:43 am
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I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Free will
May 27, 2016 at 11:47 am
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RE: Free will
May 27, 2016 at 12:45 pm
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(May 27, 2016 at 11:47 am)Ignorant Wrote: That's fine. Can you point to where I called that free will? You mean...other than this 20 some odd page long defense of the compatibility of free will and foreknowledge? 
Shall we begin afresh? What is free will, as you understand it?
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RE: Free will
May 27, 2016 at 2:15 pm
(May 27, 2016 at 12:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You mean...other than this 20 some odd page long defense of the compatibility of free will and foreknowledge?
No, I mean: Regarding the pages in which I have been active (beginning in page 11, #108), where do I define free-will as you claimed that I did? If I actually did, I want to recognize and correct my error. If I actually didn't, then it is something I would like to address before continuing.
Why would I continue discussing the topic with you if you assign meaning to my statements that I don't intend and explicitly intend otherwise? I get it if people, myself included, make mistakes and misinterpret language from time to time. I do it all of the time. If both of us hope to have a meaningful discussion, a mutual willingness to come to an understanding of the other is necessary. It requires a little patience. If you are not willing to do that, just let me know and I'll bow out, no hard feelings.
Quote:Shall we begin afresh? What is free will, as you understand it?
Would you believe that I ALREADY defined it in my very first post in this thread... AND YOU REPLIED TO THAT POST ... but you didn't address the definition? =)
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RE: Free will
May 27, 2016 at 4:41 pm
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(May 27, 2016 at 2:15 pm)Ignorant Wrote: (May 27, 2016 at 12:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You mean...other than this 20 some odd page long defense of the compatibility of free will and foreknowledge?
No, I mean: Regarding the pages in which I have been active (beginning in page 11, #108), where do I define free-will as you claimed that I did? If I actually did, I want to recognize and correct my error. If I actually didn't, then it is something I would like to address before continuing.
Why would I continue discussing the topic with you if you assign meaning to my statements that I don't intend and explicitly intend otherwise? I get it if people, myself included, make mistakes and misinterpret language from time to time. I do it all of the time. If both of us hope to have a meaningful discussion, a mutual willingness to come to an understanding of the other is necessary. It requires a little patience. If you are not willing to do that, just let me know and I'll bow out, no hard feelings.
Quote:Shall we begin afresh? What is free will, as you understand it?
Would you believe that I ALREADY defined it in my very first post in this thread... AND YOU REPLIED TO THAT POST ... but you didn't address the definition? =)
Restate it please because no one really feels like going back pages is all.
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Free will
May 27, 2016 at 10:35 pm
It's totally nuts to speculate at this level of detail about the degree to which a non-existent being may or may not grant humans the ability to choose what they do.
Personally I think there is no free will. However I don't think everything is predetermined because I at some level I think there is some natural randomness in three system, even if it's at a sub-atomic level.
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RE: Free will
May 27, 2016 at 10:44 pm
(May 27, 2016 at 10:35 pm)dom.donald Wrote: It's totally nuts to speculate at this level of detail about the degree to which a non-existent being may or may not grant humans the ability to choose what they do.
Personally I think there is no free will. However I don't think everything is predetermined because I at some level I think there is some natural randomness in three system, even if it's at a sub-atomic level.
Taking god out of the equation we have some form of free will but again parts of our body are simply out of our direct control for reasons
so we have no free will to control certain parts of our self. Then there is the universe its in a state of entropy when entropy reaches is max lights out.
Other than that that the universe chaotic time itself well is predetermined that the universe is going to end.
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RE: Free will
May 28, 2016 at 12:19 am
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