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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 12:55 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 12:50 pm)Cherubim Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 12:46 pm)Stimbo Wrote: No, I asked what you think the word 'observation' means in a scientific context, not an example of what you think it isn't.
Observational science is something that can be tested and confirmed over and over again. It can be observed by the eye.
Okay, so something is only scientific if you can see it happening with your own eyes. You do realise that you're parroting Ken Ham's deliberate ignorance of the scientific method?
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 12:56 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 12:53 pm)Cherubim Wrote: Did you not read what I said? God doesn't tell us, therefore I do not know.
Yeah, and the stars we see at night are just holes poked into the sky to witness the glory of heaven and the sun and the moon are attached there for god's greater glory.
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 12:58 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 12:56 pm)abaris Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 12:53 pm)Cherubim Wrote: Did you not read what I said? God doesn't tell us, therefore I do not know.
Yeah, and the stars we see at night are just holes poked into the sky to witness the glory of heaven and the sun and the moon are attached there for god's greater glory.
Don't be silly. The stars are tiny lamps fixed to the dome of the sky, for signs and seasons.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:00 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 12:56 pm)abaris Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 12:53 pm)Cherubim Wrote: Did you not read what I said? God doesn't tell us, therefore I do not know.
Yeah, and the stars we see at night are just holes poked into the sky to witness the glory of heaven and the sun and the moon are attached there for god's greater glory.
$100 says he has goofy ideas about the speed of light. Any takers?
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:01 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 12:52 pm)Cherubim Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 12:51 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: You clearly did not read the heavily-cited article to which I referred you.
You don't get to "interpret" the data in a way that conflicts with testable reality, and call it valid. Sorry.
Finally, what in the world makes you think the author(s) of that article/website are atheists? I happen to personally know (well, have met on numerous occasions) the head of the NSCE, and I know she's a Christian. She is also an evolutionary biologist and (now retired) professor.
You interpret the data yourself. Every single human being on this earth interprets the data based on their beliefs.
I have given examples of this twice now. Read those examples.
You claim to have a "background" in science, and yet you obviously have no idea how science actually works.
There may be things still open to interpretation, but the Polonium halos example you gave is not one of them.
It was an idea that was proven dead-wrong by a mountain of later research... yet your "team" continues to cite it. Why?
Atheists and Christians both (also Muslims, Hindus, Shintoists, Buddhists, etc.) are evolutionary biologists. They agree with me about the subject, because scientists will only accept something that has been sufficiently demonstrated, and only to the extent to which it has been demonstrated. The only way they could have an agenda that agrees is if you assert that people from all nations, religious backgrounds, and personal ideologies would form some sort of "scientific conspiracy" to discredit your particular faith (even those who belong to it).
The only people who agree with you have overtly stated that they have an agenda they wish to pursue, belong to one particular religious tradition which they must affirm in order to be a member of the group, and that they are willing to pursue it at any cost.
http://ncse.com/creationism/general/wedge-document
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:01 pm
1. Not a single person on earth can refute the resurrection of Jesus Christ. In fact, all evidence points to it. Minimal facts argument.
2. Matter does not produce non-matter, (information, will, and so on)
3. Science is looking at data and interpreting it based on ones beliefs.
4. The person who said a Christian believed in evolution, she isn't a Bible believing Christian. Most likely a catholic, and catholics are not Christians.
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:02 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 12:12 pm)Cherubim Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 12:10 pm)Alex K Wrote: Would you say that you have arrived at your young earth beliefs via reason? Because if not, I shall deem it a waste of time to discuss them with you. If yes, we can have some fun 
Yes, I have arrived at the young earth belief via reason, my background is in biology.
What the hell kind of biology are are you studying... evolution should clear that young earth belief up for you....
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:04 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 1:01 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 12:52 pm)Cherubim Wrote: You interpret the data yourself. Every single human being on this earth interprets the data based on their beliefs.
I have given examples of this twice now. Read those examples.
You claim to have a "background" in science, and yet you obviously have no idea how science actually works.
There may be things still open to interpretation, but the Polonium halos example you gave is not one of them.
It was an idea that was proven dead-wrong by a mountain of later research... yet your "team" continues to cite it. Why?
Atheists and Christians both (also Muslims, Hindus, Shintoists, Buddhists, etc.) are evolutionary biologists. They agree with me about the subject, because scientists will only accept something that has been sufficiently demonstrated, and only to the extent to which it has been demonstrated. The only way they could have an agenda that agrees is if you assert that people from all nations, religious backgrounds, and personal ideologies would form some sort of "scientific conspiracy" to discredit your particular faith (even those who belong to it).
The only people who agree with you have overtly stated that they have an agenda they wish to pursue, belong to one particular religious tradition which they must affirm in order to be a member of the group, and that they are willing to pursue it at any cost.
http://ncse.com/creationism/general/wedge-document
I can't repeat myself. Every scientists on earth, interprets the data, based on their beliefs. Understand what that means and you wont give me these types of answers / questions.
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:05 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 1:01 pm)Cherubim Wrote: 1. Not a single person on earth can refute the resurrection of Jesus Christ. In fact, all evidence points to it.
Interesting, which evidence? Scientific if you please.
Also, my favorite subject. Do you believe in the trinity? If so, Jesus was god. So, even if I were to give you the resurrection, what is go known for? Is it something special to not being able to die?
Only going by your own definitions and mental acrobatics here.
I'm not going into the other things you mentioned since we were over them ad nauseum with every new missionary cropping up here. It's not too much to ask to use the search function, is it?
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:08 pm
Can and will you demonstrate a sign of your belief for us, like drinking Drano Liquid, or molten boron, or concentrated sulfuric acid, and showing us it doesn't hurt you ??
Thomas wanted to feel the nail holes, we want something of similar gravitas, so that we might ourselves know your truth.
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