EU: Should the UK Leave or Stay?

[Edwardo Piet]

Also Cameron fucked a pig.

Let us not forget this.

Funnily enough, I only just learned about this today from my sister... shows how far behind on the news I am   And something about burning £50 notes in front of homeless people.

Oooh you're missing out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBpQJ98rR4o

[account_inactive]

I'm eighteen this December and absolutely refuse to vote Labour due to some of their MPs having expressed support for the IRA, their excessive spending and the fact they lean too far left wing for me - especially under the leadership of that douchebag Jeremy Corbyn.

Just wait another ten years and you will have a better outlook on who's fucking you over and who's the lesser evil. I know, I know, when I was 17 I also thought to have it all figured out. But I wouldn't trust my 17 year old self today.

You know what. I'll hold you to that.

[abaris]

Well, we've got a while to wait. I still think you're wrong though.

To clarify, I don't insinuate, you're stupid, but I was already high in my 30ies when you were born. I lived consciously through the 70ies, 80ies and 90ies and I've seen and experienced more than I bargained for. Suffice to say, I was like you when being 17. Staunchly rightwing. That changed when I witnessed the screwing over first hand, after the Iron Curtain fell. Gradually and when being exposed to the real world in a working environment. The simple answers changed too, since I saw that any single political move carries a shitload of different consequences.

[account_inactive]

Well, we've got a while to wait. I still think you're wrong though.

To clarify, I don't insinuate, you're stupid, but I was already high in my 30ies when you were born. I lived consciously through the 70ies, 80ies and 90ies and I've seen and experienced more than I bargained for. Suffice to say, I was like you when being 17. Staunchly rightwing. That changed when I witnessed the screwing over first hand, after the Iron Curtain fell. Gradually and when being exposed to the real world in a working environment. The simple answers changed too, since I saw that any single political move carries a shitload of different consequences.

Check the edit.

[Edwardo Piet]

I wouldn't trust my 17 year old self either (over 10 years ago for me, is all): then again I did spend all my tire playing computer games. Not all 17 year olds are that uneducatedly self indulgent (yes I know "uneducatedly" is not word, but shut up. Shut up hypothetical-critic-of-made-up-words, you).

[abaris]

I wouldn't trust my 17 year old self either (over 10 years ago for me, is all): then again I did spend all my tire playing computer games.

Good for you, since I was already 17 when the first thing being called a PC hit the market. Much too expensive for me. I grew up with machines filling entire rooms and having terminals and punch cards. I only started gambling when being 29 and finally able to afford a rig.

But on the other hand, maybe you missed out on the good old pen and paper days of roleplaying.

[emjay]

@Bella

What Labour MPs expressed support for the IRA, and in what context? If you don't mind me asking.

Perhaps sympathise was a better word to use. Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell's sympathising and links to the Irish Republican movement has been well documented.

John McDonnell says we should honour those to have taken part in "armed struggle". John only apologised when it sparked national outrage. He called IRA volunteers "brave".

McDonnell has been documented as speaking at a commemoration service for Bobby Sands. I believe that's where he said the above stuff.

Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised to fail to condemn bombings in interviews by IRA victims. Corbyn has spoken at memorial services for dead IRA terrorists and other commemoration services for IRA "prisoners of war" and active "soldiers" of the IRA.

They're both very close to Gerry Adams and McGuinness.

But one things for sure, their determination for a United Ireland still burns strong and let me tell you right now, it won't be happening anytime soon. They'd start the fucking Troubles again.

That's fucked up. I'm half Irish, though I've never lived there, and apparently one of my relatives was shot at by the IRA during an Orange March. I've been to visit and picked up a newspaper there and I'll never forget how matter of factly, as if it was the most normal thing in the world, a mother was pleading to the IRA in an article to have mercy on her drug addicted son, who acting as a self-styled police force, they were routinely giving 'punishment beatings' on account of him being 'anti-social'. I never forgot that... it's a whole other world over there with them trying to legitimise themselves not only as freedom fighters but also as to some extent, the voice of the people. Scary stuff.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Never mind.

Ponds night cream may help with your facial situation.

I bet that sounded witty to you as you were typing it.

[Edwardo Piet]

My cream helps with non-facial situations. And by "cream" I mean "mayo" and by "mayo" I mean turtle juice.

After my mayo has 'helped' it suddenly isn't a non-facial situation anymore.

[robvalue]

I predict the referendum will be 65% to stay, out of those who go out to vote.

(And manage to vote successfully without ticking both boxes or drawing dicks instead.)

Here's my final thoughts on the matter: If in doubt, get it out. Get out. Get out! Stay in. Get it in there.