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RE: Afterlife, I'd be happy if it were true.....
April 22, 2016 at 11:17 pm
The biggest mistake you made is here:
Quote:One thing I was thinking is that a prime motivator for man to create God is the need for immortality and our discomfort with the permanence of death.
You assumed the bold line, permanence of death that is. You actually don't know, and scientific evidence suggests another big bang btw, that if you follow the big crunch to the core. Being a possible scenario, the end might be another start.
You assumed; nothing more, nothing less. Your assumption will not have an effect on reality, never would it affect it too.
Reality is reality.
What's reality? it stops where your hope stops. If you hope to die forever, then that's your reality.
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RE: Afterlife, I'd be happy if it were true.....
April 23, 2016 at 12:05 am
(April 22, 2016 at 11:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The biggest mistake you made is here:
Quote:One thing I was thinking is that a prime motivator for man to create God is the need for immortality and our discomfort with the permanence of death.
You assumed the bold line, permanence of death that is. You actually don't know, and scientific evidence suggests another big bang btw, that if you follow the big crunch to the core. Being a possible scenario, the end might be another start.
You assumed; nothing more, nothing less. Your assumption will not have an effect on reality, never would it affect it too.
Reality is reality.
What's reality? it stops where your hope stops. If you hope to die forever, then that's your reality.
Hubble's law says the universe is expanding at an exponential rate which suggests a 'big freeze' rather than a big crunch.........
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RE: Afterlife, I'd be happy if it were true.....
April 23, 2016 at 12:35 am
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(April 23, 2016 at 12:05 am)maestroanth Wrote: (April 22, 2016 at 11:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The biggest mistake you made is here:
You assumed the bold line, permanence of death that is. You actually don't know, and scientific evidence suggests another big bang btw, that if you follow the big crunch to the core. Being a possible scenario, the end might be another start.
You assumed; nothing more, nothing less. Your assumption will not have an effect on reality, never would it affect it too.
Reality is reality.
What's reality? it stops where your hope stops. If you hope to die forever, then that's your reality.
Hubble's law says the universe is expanding at an exponential rate which suggests a 'big freeze' rather than a big crunch.........
You neglected the role of dark matter, we still have no idea about what it is, and what role it might play later on.
So as the role of gravity in stopping the expansion. Is it closed or open? too early to decide..
Nothing is decided yet.
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RE: Afterlife, I'd be happy if it were true.....
April 23, 2016 at 12:40 am
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(April 22, 2016 at 11:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The biggest mistake you made is here:
Quote:One thing I was thinking is that a prime motivator for man to create God is the need for immortality and our discomfort with the permanence of death.
You assumed the bold line, permanence of death that is. You actually don't know, and scientific evidence suggests another big bang btw, that if you follow the big crunch to the core. Being a possible scenario, the end might be another start.
You assumed; nothing more, nothing less. Your assumption will not have an effect on reality, never would it affect it too.
Reality is reality.
What's reality? it stops where your hope stops. If you hope to die forever, then that's your reality.
Sure. Nobody knows for sure. But that doesn't mean all speculation is equally reasonable.
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RE: Afterlife, I'd be happy if it were true.....
April 23, 2016 at 4:26 am
After death you will only exist in the memory of those who knew you, asking where you go after that is like asking where the music goes when the band stops playing
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RE: Afterlife, I'd be happy if it were true.....
April 23, 2016 at 4:29 am
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Afterlife is basically asking for a super power. Comics are pretty awesome, but the movies are better.
Your gonna die, accept it, life get's more scary after that. But has more meaning.
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RE: Afterlife, I'd be happy if it were true.....
June 10, 2016 at 5:45 am
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I don't think there is a conscious afterlife (although your genes could live on) therefore I would like this world to be "paradise" as much as it can be. One of the steps toward it would be cheap energy. For starters just imagine if we had such low priced non polluting electricity that we could create methanol artificially that it's practically free. Cars could drive themselves and nobody would own a car but rather order one when you need it. You could also water deserts and arid places to grow cheap food with almost free gas there wouldn't be hunger anywhere so you could travel and live where ever you want without the fear that you're a refuge looking to overpopulate some ideally populated country. Since we are very soon looking into even bigger refugee migrations, like the ones from India making this Syrian refugee wave look like a drop in the see, because people in India have practically dried out their drinking water reservoirs.
Also to have enough energy to melt garbage on molecular level and turn it into other elements to make mining obsolete. That would be the world worth striving for if you don't believe in afterlife and want to live your life as pleasant as you can in the world that is so breathtakingly beautiful.
But of course one of the problems today is that people are totally obsessed with post-apocalypse. Starting with the bloody movies which are one dystopia after another, as if establishment is telling us to accept fucked up world. And it's present everywhere even in internet artists. Every SF internet illustrator I bump into online draws mountains of garbage, people covered with cancers, destroyed landscapes... I mean what has happened to humanity that it bowed down and accepted it's ending without even trying to fix things? The thing that I heard from one scientists after another is that we can fix thing with science if we jump on it and invest more.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Afterlife, I'd be happy if it were true.....
June 10, 2016 at 6:30 am
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I have been carrying this around my whole life.
I specifically remember having a mature adult conversation with myself when I was so young I still was with nappies on and in a cot.
I knew then that I have been reincarnated. I gave myself some specific details as proof of this and told myself not to forget this stuff!
I couldn't write anything down because I was still a baby. What I cannot remember is whether I was the same "me" talking or someone else?
You probably think this is just another silly thing that I write, but it isn't. I will swear that I believe the above to be true on my wife's life!
Even though I now choose to ignore its significance, This experience will always be with me. Weird huh?
What could be some other non woo explanations?
I know it's an uphill battle to try to reconcile this experience with what we know in science so I won't even try to.
Even if it is real, I will still not relate any of this to religion. No reason to. I don't care to.
Any thoughts guys?
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RE: Afterlife, I'd be happy if it were true.....
June 10, 2016 at 8:40 am
(June 10, 2016 at 6:30 am)ignoramus Wrote: I have been carrying this around my whole life.
I specifically remember having a mature adult conversation with myself when I was so young I still was with nappies on and in a cot.
I knew then that I have been reincarnated. I gave myself some specific details as proof of this and told myself not to forget this stuff!
I couldn't write anything down because I was still a baby. What I cannot remember is whether I was the same "me" talking or someone else?
You probably think this is just another silly thing that I write, but it isn't. I will swear that I believe the above to be true on my wife's life!
Even though I now choose to ignore its significance, This experience will always be with me. Weird huh?
What could be some other non woo explanations?
I know it's an uphill battle to try to reconcile this experience with what we know in science so I won't even try to.
Even if it is real, I will still not relate any of this to religion. No reason to. I don't care to.
Any thoughts guys?
Could it have been a lucid dream? If it's something you wanted to do - pass on advice to your younger self - then that wouldn't be too outlandish to do in a lucid dream because you do what you want pretty much without limits, and you can remember lucid dreams the same way... with the same clarity... as real life and can mistake the one for the other. Or perhaps it was just a vivid dream after you'd been watching Donnie Darko or The Butterfly Effect ![Big Grin Big Grin](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/biggrin.gif) There's also the effect that memories can change over time and be influenced by suggestion... confabulation... for instance I have a memory of a room from my childhood which I found out later was impossible from seeing photos... I had conflated the features of two different rooms in my mind and turned them into a single memory of one room. Likewise I have two vivid memories of narrowly avoiding being electrocuted by faulty fan heaters shooting out blue lightning bolts when I was a kid... and which led to a long term fear of the things... but my dad, as a scientist, insists it couldn't have happened like I remembered it... there could have been an electrical fault because you're not supposed to cover them and kids do tend to sit too close to them but it would not have come out like a blue flash of lightning. I don't know on that one, but my dad is pretty adamant that it couldn't have happened that way. So it's more likely that my brain has later filled in the gaps and dumped a stereotypical image of an electric flash in place of whatever there was.
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RE: Afterlife, I'd be happy if it were true.....
June 10, 2016 at 8:48 am
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What's giving me the shits is that I've known and reminded myself of this "talk" (while in a baby's body) many times even since very young.
Unless, My one teenage lucid dream retrofitted all the other imaginings?
I don't think you can retrofit false memories from a time into an earlier time in your mind?
That's why I'm swearing it happened the way it did but am not trying to offer an explanation.
I'd love for some scientific dept to try to "get" those memories out of my head.
Do not want to be the poster boy for some pseudoscience bullshit charlatans.
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