Atheist thinker, or ignorant believer?

[WinterHold]

This point got me all worked up; thinking about it..
Atheists are viewed as the "anti-religion" type of people; a religious regime's worst nightmare if I can say, actually to know and make sure, see how religious regimes suppress them; and you'll. I saw lots of examples in the acts of Iran and Saudi Arabia. (mainly, destroying the faith means destroying the drug used to control the people and keep them in line; keeping the regime in power; so : it's not necessarily coming out of true belief and faith. 

But spending my time here, and quite a long time, I came to the conclusion that the real threat on religion; is many of THE IGNORANT RELIGIOUS.

I have to be honest..ignorant religious people bring doom to their faith, because their false understanding and lack of vision creates more and more atheists. Here, I'll give an example by the religious stream that is called "Salafi Muslims".

Because of "Sunni Salafi Muslims", many people came to hate the religion, even me at first; I was so close from hitting full atheism; I actually hated God; I grew up in religious schools and to be honest; saw hell on terms of thought and mentality, I saw that the biggest damage -ever- on the faith didn't come from Marylin Manson, or the other atheist society, it actually came from this type of Muslims.

Christianity won't be of any difference; Christians too have their ignorant bunch..

I would say, people should follow logic and sense..it will lead them to a good place..ignorance is the biggest enemy to anyone, and anything, even to atheists themselves.

But for religious people, to blame the irreligious, for the mistakes of ignorant religious people, who blindly follow things EVEN IF THEY WERE WRONG? 
Excuse me if I was offended..

[robvalue]

Yeah...

Religion is somewhat self destructive. It's based on different groups of people just making wildly different claims, none of which are based on anything real. When two very vocal religions clash, there's going to be sparks.

I know you think you have special formula and the "true version" of the "true religion", but I'm afraid you're just another theist out of the millions who all think the exact same thing. The reasoning you use is the same as what they use. You just see it more clearly when it's someone else making wild unsubstantiated claims. I have a lot of respect for you though, you're coming incredibly close to clarity. Closer than any theist has come in all the time I've been in the forum. Your thinking has advanced a whole lot.

You're right, atheists aren't in general trying to "tear down religion". That's a minority. Most of them, in my experience, just want religion calmed down so that it doesn't have special privelege and cause harm. Religion exposes itself for what it is just fine without needing any help from us.

[maestroanth]

Well, the great thing about lies is that they aren't real.

[quip]

Well, the great thing about lies is that they aren't real.

Ohhh but they're very real.....replete with a destructive will all their own!

[Silver]

The thing about lies is that even though they may come to light later as being just that, they are very much perceived as truth in order to destroy.

[maestroanth]

The thing about lies is that even though they may come to light later as being just that, they are very much perceived as truth in order to destroy.

So...in a perverse way, one can also interpret this as it's truth that causes destruction....or 'perceived truth' whatever that difference is supposed to be...