Christian answering questions too!

[Huggy Bear]

Not to those in Christ. They cannot sin, therefore they cannot be accused under the law.

Law only applies to criminals, the penalty for theft for instance doesn't apply to you if you haven't stolen anything.

So the law applies to those who don't recognize it, and has no relevance to those who do.

Much sense making.

Just because you announce that you don't recognize the law, it shouldn't apply to you? Talk about not making any sense.

As a matter of fact, why don't you go test out that theory in the real world, and see how it works out.

[Whateverist]

So the law applies to those who don't recognize it, and has no relevance to those who do.

Much sense making.

Just because you announce that you don't recognize the law, it shouldn't apply to you? Talk about not making any sense.

As a matter of fact, why don't you go test out that theory in the real world, and see how it works out.

I assume ANKA is just talking about the real, living part of his life.  She won't be bothered by it then.  What ever happens post mortem doesn't really concern most of us.

[ApeNotKillApe]

So the law applies to those who don't recognize it, and has no relevance to those who do.

Much sense making.

Just because you announce that you don't recognize the law, it shouldn't apply to you? Talk about not making any sense.

As a matter of fact, why don't you go test out that theory in the real world, and see how it works out.

What you're essentially saying is that non-Christians should be stoning gays and avoiding mixed fibres and making offerings of burning cow specifically because they don't follow Christ and thus have no reason to obey the Levitican/Deuteronomic laws in the first place. While Christians have no reason to obey them.

[Huggy Bear]

Just because you announce that you don't recognize the law, it shouldn't apply to you? Talk about not making any sense.

As a matter of fact, why don't you go test out that theory in the real world, and see how it works out.

What you're essentially saying is that non-Christians should be stoning gays and avoiding mixed fibres and making offerings of burning cow specifically because they don't follow Christ and thus have no reason to obey the Levitican/Deuteronomic laws in the first place.

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Unbelievers are already under penalty of death due to sin. Sin = unbelief remember? The only way to avoid that penalty is to accept the pardon that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ provided.

There are no redemptive qualities to the law, the laws only purpose is to condemn the offender, once you're condemned it can do nothing to help you.

[Divinity]

Wonder how these people who say that the law applies to you even if you don't believe in it would feel if it turns out they're wrong, and they're supposed to be following the laws of some Greek God. I mean for fucks' sake how can they not see how ridiculous it all is?

[ApeNotKillApe]

What you're essentially saying is that non-Christians should be stoning gays and avoiding mixed fibres and making offerings of burning cow specifically because they don't follow Christ and thus have no reason to obey the Levitican/Deuteronomic laws in the first place.

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Unbelievers are already under penalty of death due to sin. Sin = unbelief remember? The only way to avoid that penalty is to accept the pardon that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ provided.

There are no redemptive qualities to the law, the laws only purpose is to condemn the offender, once you're condemned it can do nothing to help you.

I don't understand what you're getting at. My initial post was intended to point out that the Jesus never abolished any of the laws of the Old Testament.

And what are you talking about, sin = unbelief? That is inaccurate.

[Huggy Bear]

I don't understand what you're getting at. My initial post was intended to point out that the Jesus never abolished any of the laws of the Old Testament.

And what are you talking about, sin = unbelief?

My point was, every time  a christian tells you guys that we aren't under old testament law, you quote that particular scripture, proving you don't even have basic understanding of what Christianity is.

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As for sin = unbelief:

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Jude 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is (exists), and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

*emphasis mine*

Sin is not an action, it is a state of mind.

For instance murder is not sin, it is an attribute of sin, by committing murder, it shows that you don't believe in God, THAT is what makes you a sinner (unbeliever).

After all, a thief doesn't steal if he knows for a fact he will get caught.

In fact the word "repent" in the new testament is translated from the greek word "Metanoeo" which means "to change one's mind".

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Huggy, what I think you're not getting, here, is that you're citing from a book literally millennia old, from another culture, translated and copied into numerous languages and variations, selected from among diverse competing theological interpretations by a committee, and claiming to be about magic and magical beings. What you cite to us as "the law" has about as much bearing on reality as me quoting to you from the Bahagavad Gita or the Qur'an. All contain threats against "sinful behavior/mindsets", and all are hilarious, when viewed from the outside. You are not capable of viewing it from the outside, because you're inside one of them.

But we're not taking about law, in the human sense. We're talking about a single entity (according to the claims of the Zoroastrians... no, wait, which group was making this group of claims? Oh right, the Hebrews, followed by numerous descendant versions) who, according to this version:

1) Constructed the laws of the universe, including the requirements for how the bipedal, intelligent apes inhabiting one small desert corner of the third rock from one star out of trillions (that we can detect), should think and eat and dress and screw.

2) Constructed those laws in such a way that the penalty for failure to adhere to them is a penalty of eternal torment.

3) Offered "pardon" to those who worship said entity and accept that pardon thereby.

If I came into your neighborhood with a crew of heavily-armed men, gathered everyone in the central square, and told them at gunpoint that they were doing something I didn't like, so they could either tell me I'm the greatest and accept my pardon, or else I'd have to shoot them... what would you call me?

Your "God" has done exactly that, by allegedly being both lawmaker and judge, especially since I only have your word and the written words of long-dead barbarians to tell me that it's even a real thing.

That's why we compare you to groups like the Hindus, and their scriptures. I'd be willing to bet that if you read their scriptures, you'd find it hilarious to see what they consider sinful and don't, and would find their claims about magic to be equally hilarious. You just can't see that there's not a significant difference between the two... only details.

[Mister Agenda]

What flavour of Christian are you? Pentecostal, catholic Baptist, Jehovah
S witness Mormon or one of the other 5000 or so sects. Are you young earth creation, old earth creation or sane?

I subscribe to the bible.   There is a term, sola scriptura, I am fond of.   I am, and have always refused to align myself with the many flavors, as you state, of Christianity.  They all appear to be in contradiction to the Word on some point or another.  I have never been an official member of any church; however I did attend a church regularly for many years.

Welcome, Pete. I think you may represent the ultimate evolution of Christianity: each Christian a denomination unto themselves.

[Mister Agenda]

Is any action the Bible promotes permissible?That sure has the appearance of a baited question. If there is no God and no eternal judgment then what is not permissible?

What people, collectively, won't put up with. Which appears to be how things actually work with humans. We can use experience and reason to figure out one way of life has a better outcome for more people than another, but society will go on doing things you don't think should be permissible until you get enough people agreeing with you.