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RE: Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"
May 9, 2016 at 6:16 pm
OP: I'm not that strong on debate or logical/illogical fallacies but this is what strikes me.
He states, "the existence of God (& or the afterlife) is a rational conclusion of philosophical argument ".
Game over. You can't argue something into existence. You can argue that something may potentially exist but that is not proof of existence. The people that live by philosophy alone and do not include reality I don't understand.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"
May 9, 2016 at 6:23 pm
(May 9, 2016 at 12:31 am)Godschild Wrote: First of all if you want to consider yourself intellectually sophisticated, you should study the Bible and the Christian religion before you condemn any of it. If you do not you must consider yourself intellectually handicapped.
GC
You've been on this board for how many years, you should know better than to say such things.
What you really mean is "I really like what I believe and if you would just stop questioning it and swallow my interpretation of it, you will see what I see".
Problem is GC that is now how good logic works. You have a sales pitch, not a factual book.
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RE: Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"
May 10, 2016 at 8:57 am
(May 9, 2016 at 5:47 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Don't let GC bother you. He's so desperate to believe the emperor has clothes, he may actually see them in his mind.
I've spent the last year thinking GC was an old doating woman. Ah perceptions.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"
May 10, 2016 at 9:53 am
(May 9, 2016 at 12:31 am)Godschild Wrote: First of all if you want to consider yourself intellectually sophisticated, you should study the Bible and the Christian religion before you condemn any of it. If you do not you must consider yourself intellectually handicapped.
GC
Do you honestly think that, because you said so, anybody would consider themselves intellectually handicapped?
Honestly?
Your arrogance is only outweighed by your enormous stupidity.
You may refer to me as "Oh High One."
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RE: Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"
May 10, 2016 at 10:34 am
(May 9, 2016 at 12:31 am)Godschild Wrote: First of all if you want to consider yourself intellectually sophisticated, you should study the Bible and the Christian religion before you condemn any of it. If you do not you must consider yourself intellectually handicapped.
GC
Buzz off.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
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RE: Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"
May 10, 2016 at 12:43 pm
(May 9, 2016 at 5:02 pm)fruyian Wrote:
(May 9, 2016 at 12:31 am)Godschild Wrote: First of all if you want to consider yourself intellectually sophisticated, you should study the Bible and the Christian religion before you condemn any of it. If you do not you must consider yourself intellectually handicapped.
GC
I believe your post may be moot as I did imply in my post that I did study the bible and the Christian religion.. I was a Christian when I was young, went to a Christian school, not only was I told bout and read parts of the bible.. all of the children's version, went to church and re-read the bible when I was older. And I can honestly say I can and have the right to condemn all of it. So I will repeat, I am intellectually sophisticated in this area.
fruyian
By the statements you made you must have been reading something besides the Bible, your statements do not reflect what the scriptures say about heaven, so it was correct for me to point out your lack of biblical understanding.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"
May 10, 2016 at 12:51 pm
(May 9, 2016 at 4:47 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (May 9, 2016 at 1:16 pm)Godschild Wrote: You are wrong, I find you quite illiterate when it comes to the Bible and I do not find it laughable. Anyone who claims they were a Christian and knows so little about Christ should be ashamed.
GC
Yeah, we've noticed that pattern with you. Except I routinely have Bible discussions (friendly ones) with other Christians, including Seminary-trained pastors, and all of them remark about how well I know the Bible.
In other words, it's you, not me.
I've found many pastors lacking in an understanding of the scriptures. I'm not saying that I'm an expert, I allow the Holy Spirit to guide me and since you do not believe the Holy Spirit is real then you have never had his guidance. That means you have only a historical understanding of the Bible. The Bible is a spiritual guide to life for those who believe in Christ.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"
May 10, 2016 at 12:52 pm
(May 10, 2016 at 12:43 pm)Godschild Wrote: (May 9, 2016 at 5:02 pm)fruyian Wrote:
I believe your post may be moot as I did imply in my post that I did study the bible and the Christian religion.. I was a Christian when I was young, went to a Christian school, not only was I told bout and read parts of the bible.. all of the children's version, went to church and re-read the bible when I was older. And I can honestly say I can and have the right to condemn all of it. So I will repeat, I am intellectually sophisticated in this area.
fruyian
By the statements you made you must have been reading something besides the Bible, your statements do not reflect what the scriptures say about heaven, so it was correct for me to point out your lack of biblical understanding.
GC
It's not surprising that the followers of christianity would portray heaven in a positive light, just as it isn't surprising that they portray their god in a positive light. That doesn't make it automatic reality, though.
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RE: Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"
May 10, 2016 at 12:54 pm
@ the rest who posted, to support someone who portrays something in an untruthful manner is dishonest, take that as you wish.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"
May 10, 2016 at 12:58 pm
(May 10, 2016 at 12:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: (May 9, 2016 at 4:47 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Yeah, we've noticed that pattern with you. Except I routinely have Bible discussions (friendly ones) with other Christians, including Seminary-trained pastors, and all of them remark about how well I know the Bible.
In other words, it's you, not me.
I've found many pastors lacking in an understanding of the scriptures. I'm not saying that I'm an expert, I allow the Holy Spirit to guide me and since you do not believe the Holy Spirit is real then you have never had his guidance. That means you have only a historical understanding of the Bible. The Bible is a spiritual guide to life for those who believe in Christ.
GC
What precisely has the Holy Spirit guided you to understand that escapes us ordinary mortals, GC? And I'm not talking about warm fuzzies or the tumescence you experience when you read about Jesus.
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