Most personally convincing reasons you don't believe.

[pocaracas]

Reading stuff on my phone and not replying immediately does this to me...

How would that work? I... may be interested in crazy stuff.... and never be interested by the actual real one claim...
What if I make up a few claims by myself? Should I then try to follow through? They would certainly interest me...

if you were not interested in finding out if their is a God we can stop here, as the rest would be pointless.

Maybe you missed the hypothetical detail.
You said I should look into those religious claims that interest me.
What if the ones that interest me aren't the ones that contain the god you think is real?
Would that make some god among those that is indeed real?

[robvalue]

The first very common error is assuming that one of the (current) religions must accurately describe God, if there is one. There's no reason to think that is the case. In fact, there's every reason to think it's not the case.

The truth is likely to be much more mundane.

[vorlon13]

The first very common error is assuming that one of the (current) religions must accurately describe God, if there is one. There's no reason to think that is the case. In fact, there's every reason to think it's not the case.

The truth is likely to be much more mundane.

Even if a putative actual real life universe creating god did instill divine knowledge into a given human, his/her ability to then go on to gestate The (ordained) One True Faith is zero.

Thought experiment:

let's assume this is precisely what happened to Joe Smith in 1820, 1823, 1816, 1825 or whenever (he gave differing accounts), when supposedly God and/or Jesus and/or Moroni and/or Micheal and/or Adam  and/or a host of angels (he gave different accounts) imbued upon him whatever it was that was imbued upon him (he gave differing accounts) and then he proceeded to establish the One True Church, but also immediately began changing things (current Mormon administration denies anything significant or consequential was changed) (despite copious evidence to the contrary the church itself has published in approved church sponsored publications printed on church owned printing presses which church fore knowledge and approval prior to publication) including forbidding polygamy in the Book of Mormon, secretly began practicing polygamy and lied about it, then slowly taught others about polygamy while denying it, then announced a revelation commanding polygamy but only in regards to taking native American wives in order to 'whiten' their offspring and make them less loathsome to God, but only to a select few in his church (including Brigham Young, who did try a couple of the recommended wives, found them wanting and abandoned them in Council Bluffs IA while on the way to Utah) then had the church become more open about polygamy and dropped the native American requirement and opened it to Caucasian women, even ones already married, and working out new rules that contradicted the Old Testament strictures while claiming they followed them and then altered the churches Doctrines and Covenants to indicate polygamy was now approved while denying the teachings had ever been otherwise then experienced pressure from the US government to renounce polygamy (somewhere along the way Joe died, church admin continued in Joe's furrow) so the church renounced it publicly and still practiced it secretly for 10 years more then changed to prohibit it and it was while still being described in some church publications (Book of Mormon) to be prohibited and in others to be the most exalted form of marriage possible, also, along the way, to clarify matters further, the church instituted celestial marriages where in the afterlife polygamy could be instituted by the folks left alive on earth for their revered dead and then . . . .


LOL, see what the problem is ??

God is totally fucked if He thinks humans are ever going to tow His line and do it right.


God!!  Get a clue you big dummy !!!!

[Drich]

post 377 was a joke. you 'snipped' what you did not want to address and ignored everything else infavor of one liners skirting the issues I brought up. So no, Not like post 377.

Perhaps I address subjects as seriously as I find them presented to me?  That ever occur to you?

Post 377 allows you to keep your head burried in the sand concerning critical flaws in your thinking and logic. which allows you to make the same blindly ignorant statements that you have made from the beginning. Post 377 is an homage to your unwillingness and or inability to adapt to new information that critically undermines your thought or thinking process.

So again, No not like post 377. Maybe try to speak on point and leave the one liners to someone who does not know you are trying to deflect.

People have tried your method, they spoke the magic words, they walked counterclockwise around the bonfire...the spell didn't work - they found no gods.  Others -didn't- do what you claim needs be done...and yet they did find god, just as you claim to have found god.  Obviously, something in this scenario is awry.  If you're incapable of coming down from Mount Drich and acknowledging this, fine...but that's pretty much the end of any use you may have had, isn't it?  We'll have to find someone who has more god-knowledge than you do to explain it.

I doubt that's going to be difficult.

Again, you are avoiding the points made in post 373. Did you think I didn't know what I wrote? do you think I do not understand the impact of what I had written in relation to your 'excuse/arguements?' Then why pretend repost an argument I have so soundly refuted?

Oh... Or is it you don't get it?

If that's the case I appologize let me try a different way:

There are two versions of God Everyone deals with. Your version based on your religious experiences and undisciplined thought, and the God of the bible. Now the issue you maybe having is that because you called your version "the Father, Yaweh, Jesus, The Holy Spirit or any other name in the bible you wrongly assume your verion was indeed the version the bible Describes.

The problem? your version was a false God, an idol, something created by man/you for your own consumption. IF you A/S/K The God of the bible sent the wind and the rain to test you and your version of God. You found that your god did not exist. You stopped your quest when you found what you believed about God was wrong, and because you gave your gad the same same as the God of the bible, you transferred your failure to the God described by the bible.

You Asked, and Sought after YOUR god. The God of the bible proved it was not real. Is essence your atheism was an answer to your prayer. However, You did not knock. If you had You would have rebuilt your faith on the God of the bible by receiving a measure of the Holy Spirit.

None of you has ever followed the A/S/K found in luke 11. I have said this from the beginning. You may have asked and sought to the idols you have created for yourselves, but none of you even A/S/K of the God of the bible.

Just look at how appalled you all are between my representation of the God of the bible and what yourself believe God should be. If your version of what 'should be God' has by you been proven to be silent in the time of need, and is counter the promises the bible makes (Ever so willing to send the Holy Spirit to those who will simply ask seek knock) then it should stand to reason that your god and the efforts you made before it were in absolute vain.

[Drich]

If He were not FROM GOD Then How would He then be able to tell me What God would do in my life?

... you're serious?

Back in context yes.

Context meaning full filled prophesy. How else could a man list off nearly a dozen life changing future events and yet to be wrong, if he were not from God?

[The Grand Nudger]

Only two versions of god?  I think you need to read more.  

-People have tried your method, it didn't work.  People didn't try your method, and still found god.  Something is amiss.  You can either explain that or you can't...and if you can't, why waste words not explaining it?

No amount of imagining what I have or haven't done, or why.... will answer that question. Tell me that you at least understand that...because it's getting tiresome, watching you yank your business while fantasizing about me.

[Drich]

I'm sometimes jealous of people who have no idea what confirmation bias and self-fulfilling prophecies are.

And I am sometimes jealous of the selective ignorance that some people can wield with out guilt or shame concerning a topic the just jump into.

Me... Before I speak I must read back to where a given subject matter starts so I can formulate a proper response. However most don't share this burden or dedication to honesty. They can just read one or two lines and 'know' or at least pretend to know who and what they are talking about.

[The Grand Nudger]

..... : in my best dirtbag evangelist voice :

Ah, so you -do- want what atheists have?  Well, all you need to do is stop A/S/K ing.

[Drich]

[Drich]

And now, for another personal message from, Your Creator:

like crush the head of a 'great snake' under the heel of my foot?