Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god

[LastPoet]

Welcome firstly.
All this stuff is not in the bible, so please tell me where you got these ideas from?

I'd hate to think that you have license to make stuff up just like that!
If that's the case, a disclaimer would've been nice...

In no way is this a bible handed projection to any of you, religion appeals to me as much as it did while an atheist. 

I simply heard this from a friend. This is purely an idea I'd like to explore with you all, with no claims of knowing better. Only that i have some grounding, some grasp of this topic enough to ideally get some of you to consider this as not just something one would dismiss because it doesn't fit in with an already made opinion.

The thing is, every believer has a different idea of what a god is. I didn't chose to disbelief, I arrived at it after considering the main claims from major religions.

The concept of gods exist, but its kept ill-defined just so that can't be falsified. Then come apologists with hhalf arsed psudophilosophical arguments as if that way they could pop a god into existence.

Human imagination is a good tool, but also a curse.

[ignoramus]

LP, FWIW, latest studies are narrowing down God to be either a slug, a doorknob or a human called Rob.
We're getting close, I can feel it!

[Cato]

Weapons grade stupidity.

[Blueyedlion]

Because, god is omni-present, and omni-being and omni-everywhere, so even in absence it’s there for there is no such thing as true absence. [...]

Uhm... Firstly - aren't "omnipresent" and "omni-everywhere" the same thing?

Secondly - what does "omni-being" mean? 

Thirdly - what does any of that have to do with believing in a god? If you're trying to say that the universe is god, then I don't believe you. I also don't believe you, when you say that god is omni-whatever, or make any other assertion regarding the nature of an entity, that HASN'T BEEN PROVEN TO EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE. And I don't believe that gods exist. So how exactly am I "actually believing in god"?

If I told you, that fairies are omnipresent and "omni-being", would you then agree, that you actually believe in fairies?

Omni-present - to be present is to be in a moment - past, present, future. So i'm talking about time.
Omni-everywhere - where implies space. So omni time and space if you want the short answer.
Omni-being - all states of being, from being a rock, a grain of sand, an atom, to a flower, human, planet, galaxy, universe etc etc. These are all states if being as any one is.

"So how exactly am I "actually believing in god"?" by having any belief at all. For even if you don't believe in the universe, it's still there isnt it.
Again, the point of this argument is indeed whether the universe is god.

What has been proven is actually that this universe is a simulation. Evolution has been formulated into an equation, programs have been run, and it turns out the material world isnt real. But even quantum physicists have known for a hundred years the materiel universe doesn't actually exist. So if we're going to debate the universe, the material universe is obsolete in any discussion of science or philosophy.

But i do believe in fairies, fairies are just beings living in other dimensions that you can witness with drugs or an already accepting mind

[ignoramus]

Do me a favour ... Please watch this when you have time. It may just change your mind...

[Redbeard The Pink]

Oh my shit.


Is this dude for real?


I think whoever told you that is repeating some trite bullshit that's been rolling around his empty head ever since his pastor said it.


I mean, really, where did you expect to go with this? "Atheists don't exist because of grammar!" Ummm...ok, I guess. If it's impossible to disbelieve the gods, why are you trying to convince me they exist? Why would you be trying to convince me of something I already believe?


You know what? I don't really think you believe in god. God doesn't exist anywhere, so believing in him is the same as believing in nothing, so you don't believe in god.


If you can see the problem with the above statement, you should be able to see the problem with the statement you're asking us to consider.

[abaris]

Because, god is omni-present, and omni-being and omni-everywhere, so even in absence it’s there for there is no such thing as true absence.

So i heard that recently and i would like to hear from atheists here what you all think of this statement.

Thanks

Sorry to be crystal clear about that statement. But that's what I think of it.

[Homeless Nutter]

Omni-present - to be present is to be in a moment - past, present, future. So i'm talking about time.
Omni-everywhere - where implies space. So omni time and space if you want the short answer.
Omni-being - all states of being, from being a rock, a grain of sand, an atom, to a flower, human, planet, galaxy, universe etc etc. These are all states if being as any one is.

OK, fine. But tell me - is bullsh*t a state of being? Is "made-up", or fictional a state of being? Because if so - god is all those things. The thing is - we actually have proof, that god can be an imaginary being - but no proof of god in ANY OTHER STATE.
Also, if god is everything - is he/she/it also things you hate? And if so - does that mean you hate god?
What about Satan? Is a fallen angel a state of being? Seems like it is - so god must be Satan...

Word-games are fun.

"So how exactly am I "actually believing in god"?" by having any belief at all.

LOL... That's only because you defined god as "everything", with no evidence. You just made it up (or someone made it up for you) - and I'm supposed to justify my belief in anything, in relation to that? Guess what - we already have a term for "everything". And it's NOT "god".

For even if you don't believe in the universe, it's still there isnt it.

Sure, but even if you believe in god - there's still no actual evidence, that there is one out there.

Again, the point of this argument is indeed whether the universe is god.

Well - it isn't, so...

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What has been proven is actually that this universe is a simulation.

LOL... No, it hasn't been proven. Where did you even get that idea. Are you making this up as you go along?

Evolution has been formulated into an equation, programs have been run, and it turns out the material world isnt real. But even quantum physicists have known for a hundred years the materiel universe doesn't actually exist. So if we're going to debate the universe, the material universe is obsolete in any discussion of science or philosophy.

Yeah - that's all unsubstantiated assertions/word salad. None of that even rings true and of course - you provide no evidence. So I'll just happily dismiss it, until you do...

But i do believe in fairies, fairies are just beings living in other dimensions that you can witness with drugs or an already accepting mind

In other words - they're bullsh*t. Just like god. And I'm not even going to ask you about evidence for those "other dimensions", because it's clear you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

You see - atheists usually are not easily impressed with meaningless drivel. Most of us like hard facts - not word-games and vague notions.

[Blueyedlion]

In no way is this a bible handed projection to any of you, religion appeals to me as much as it did while an atheist. 

I simply heard this from a friend. This is purely an idea I'd like to explore with you all, with no claims of knowing better. Only that i have some grounding, some grasp of this topic enough to ideally get some of you to consider this as not just something one would dismiss because it doesn't fit in with an already made opinion.

The thing is,  every believer has a different idea of what a god is. I didn't chose to disbelief, I arrived at it after considering the main claims from major religions.

The concept of gods exist, but its kept ill-defined just so that can't be falsified. Then come apologists with hhalf arsed psudophilosophical arguments as if that way they could pop a god into existence.

Human imagination is a good tool, but also a curse.

Hold on, what if i told you no matter how and what you define as god, it doesn't mater, because you're right no matter the way you think god exists. So trying to create some unified theory with definitions doesnt lead anywhere. I shall explain why.

First off. Logically, god creates universe. Universe is apart of god. Therefore we are apart of god.
next, if we all are apart of god then we are in ourselves god.
God is not some higher being above us, our very existence is what makes up and is what god is an all aspects and qualities.

For example, you dont need all the wood in the world to then figure out there is such a thing called wood. Whether made as desk or raw as a tree, wood is wood whether in parts splinted or in large masses like trunks. Either way wood is never more wood then any other wood, it's all the same stuff in different states. And if you dont like this analogy, try this -

Of the earths oceanic body of water, no drop of water is better then another, is above another in any way. Water may exist in different forms as steam, ice or liquid, but it's still the same thing existing in different states. You don't call water, water as a label only when you have the entire encompassing ocean, that then, only when all the drops in the world are accounted for, do we call water as water, one drop is still water as is a lake or ocean.

Now apply that to god as streams of energy flowing consciously throughout the universe as all that is. Then what you've got is no person, or grain of sand or atom is better then the rest. As well as there's no need to try and define the qualities of god to such an extent, because describing yourself is in itself, describing god, just like describing a drop of water from the tap as water, or a piece of plank as wood, you don't need to have it all to know those small pieces are the same thing.

A drop of water is water, on ocean is water.
A person is god, the connections and collectiveness of the universe is god,
think about it.

[robvalue]

So you're calling the universe god.

With respect to that definition, yes I believe in God.

What is the point, though? We already know it exists, and it doesn't gain any extra attributes just by having another label.