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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 2, 2016 at 1:23 am
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(May 29, 2016 at 1:29 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (May 29, 2016 at 6:58 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: It's not supposed to be an objective fact, i never once said or implied it was, that was you assuming. There is no such thing as an objective fact, objectivity doesn't exist. All facts are based on purely subjective experiences. When i say, there is no right or wrong, you are then interpreting that is some universal truth. A truth has to be a positive claim. I'm simply showing what doesn't exist, revealing what's left. The concept that everything universally is subjective is still not an objective truth.
Because you still need to realize that every individual experience in trapped within the bounds of that experience, no one thing can talk for anyone else then them. For two people have to be experiencing the exact same thing that is the same experience of a fact, in order for it to be actually objective. You need an to have an exact copy of you with all your memories interpreting as you would, in the exact same way you already are, standing in place where you already are having the exact same experience - that is then an objective experience. The facts of both experience are now objective.
Since that's not happening anytime this week, the only truth is yours and yours alone. A collective subjective experience is just an agreement that many subjective experiences are very similar to each other.
That's not what objective means. An objective fact is something that is true independent of individual attitudes. Nothing about it being a conjunction of experiences. You seem to like taking old words and giving them new, personal meaning. Your truths truly are subjective in that they're only true for you.
Think about that, how can something be true outside an individual's attitude? Try right now to see something outside yourself? you cant so the definition is crap. The meaning im giving it is the meaning that is the core of its definition, but it has been distorted by people trying to establish control over others. For if someone can make you think truth is established by something outside of you, then they can create that truth and pretend it's objective and make you believe their truth. But they're are the one's who have made it so for their own sake, for their own authority of power.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 4, 2016 at 1:22 am
Bullshit.
Objective exists outside of a person's attitude. It is pure data.
ob·jec·tive (əb-jĕk′tĭv)
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a. Existing independent of or external to the mind; actual or real: objective reality.
b. Based on observable phenomena; empirical: objective facts.
2. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. See Synonyms at fair1.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 4, 2016 at 2:57 am
(June 2, 2016 at 1:23 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: Think about that, how can something be true outside an individual's attitude? Try right now to see something outside yourself?
Just plowed through these pages of your inner musings .... They are yours because you reject the bible .... you babble and desecrate quantum theory ....
So what is left? a perverse mish mash of present science with a new unproven, untested theory that states the universe has consciousness.
Prove it empirically and you will get a nobel prize .... but as you are not a scientist and even the top scientists of the massively funded intelligent design movement and other quack pseudo-science movements have always failed to prove anything empirically as regards God in the 2000 years they have been trying .... you have your work cut out ....
I would advise that before trying to be the next nobel prize winner you first learn how to make yourself understood ... It shouldn't require 15 pages of twaddle to get your point across, which is basically that you think the universe/god has a consciousness ... maybe start by debating before using your bong or wait until the effects have worn off 
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 4, 2016 at 4:44 am
Not sure if religion has poisoned his mind or drinking the bong water has?
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 4, 2016 at 6:06 am
(June 4, 2016 at 4:44 am)ignoramus Wrote: Not sure if religion has poisoned his mind or drinking the bong water has?
Eww.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 4, 2016 at 6:08 am
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(June 2, 2016 at 1:23 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: (May 29, 2016 at 1:29 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: That's not what objective means. An objective fact is something that is true independent of individual attitudes. Nothing about it being a conjunction of experiences. You seem to like taking old words and giving them new, personal meaning. Your truths truly are subjective in that they're only true for you.
Think about that, how can something be true outside an individual's attitude?
Attitude has nothing to do with truth. Evidence determines truth.
Quote:Try right now to see something outside yourself?
I see evidence. Are you simply blind to it?
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 4, 2016 at 2:44 pm
(May 27, 2016 at 3:43 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: Because, god is omni-present, and omni-being and omni-everywhere, so even in absence it’s there for there is no such thing as true absence.
So i heard that recently and i would like to hear from atheists here what you all think of this statement.
Thanks
You'd have to accept the premise of god first to assume that it's omni-anything.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 4, 2016 at 6:59 pm
Thought I might have missed something good, other than King, not really. Carry on!
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 4, 2016 at 7:23 pm
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(June 4, 2016 at 2:44 pm)Sherry_Mae Wrote: You'd have to accept the premise of god first to assume that it's omni-anything.
I see you got several kudos on your first post. Congrats and Howdy from Texas.
You should introduce yourself in the introductions forum. We would like to meet you.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
June 4, 2016 at 7:24 pm
(June 2, 2016 at 1:23 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: (May 29, 2016 at 1:29 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: That's not what objective means. An objective fact is something that is true independent of individual attitudes. Nothing about it being a conjunction of experiences. You seem to like taking old words and giving them new, personal meaning. Your truths truly are subjective in that they're only true for you.
Think about that, how can something be true outside an individual's attitude? Try right now to see something outside yourself? you cant so the definition is crap. The meaning im giving it is the meaning that is the core of its definition, but it has been distorted by people trying to establish control over others. For if someone can make you think truth is established by something outside of you, then they can create that truth and pretend it's objective and make you believe their truth. But they're are the one's who have made it so for their own sake, for their own authority of power.
Care to bet? Let's try writing down a math fact while you try holding to a number of distinct attitudes. Any attitudes you like. Then we'll hold up the math fact we wrote down and see if in fact its truth value ever varies. I don't think you'll win.
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