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June 5, 2016 at 3:51 pm
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It's that time of every other year again here when people start plastering everything with flags. I already hate it.
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RE: Don't burn it, but lets make money
June 6, 2016 at 3:52 am
(June 5, 2016 at 2:58 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: To be fair, though, it carries more symbolism in its lore than for most countries.
The red-white-red triband of Austria has been in almost continuous use since the 1290's and is a representation of the colours of the house of Babenberg the first dukes of Austria, who as the legend goes were granted them after the battle of Acre in 1191 based off the bloodstained tunic he used as a banner after his original was destroyed in the fighting.
Most European flags have a symbolism far more ancient and significant than the US flag.
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June 6, 2016 at 4:01 am
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(June 6, 2016 at 3:52 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: (June 5, 2016 at 2:58 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: To be fair, though, it carries more symbolism in its lore than for most countries.
The red-white-red triband of Austria has been in almost continuous use since the 1290's and is a representation of the colours of the house of Babenberg the first dukes of Austria, who as the legend goes were granted them after the battle of Acre in 1191 based off the bloodstained tunic he used as a banner after his original was destroyed in the fighting.
Most European flags have a symbolism far more ancient and significant than the US flag.
While the black-red-golden color scheme of the current German flag has occurred already back in the middle ages, the choice for the flag is inspired by the uniform colors of the all-German army fighting back Napoleon at the beginning of the 19th century. Germany as a nation state hasn't really existed for that long.
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RE: Don't burn it, but lets make money
June 6, 2016 at 4:39 am
(June 6, 2016 at 3:52 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: (June 5, 2016 at 2:58 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: To be fair, though, it carries more symbolism in its lore than for most countries.
The red-white-red triband of Austria has been in almost continuous use since the 1290's and is a representation of the colours of the house of Babenberg the first dukes of Austria, who as the legend goes were granted them after the battle of Acre in 1191 based off the bloodstained tunic he used as a banner after his original was destroyed in the fighting.
Most European flags have a symbolism far more ancient and significant than the US flag.
You'll notice I never said it had more significance, nor did I say it was longer standing.
The lore is what I am invoking. The Star Spangled Banner at Fort McHenry, it's prominence in revolutionary art, Old Glory, Iwo Jima, the moon landing, post 9/11 nationalism.
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RE: Don't burn it, but lets make money
June 6, 2016 at 5:52 am
(June 6, 2016 at 4:01 am)Alex K Wrote: While the black-red-golden color scheme of the current German flag has occurred already back in the middle ages, the choice for the flag is inspired by the uniform colors of the all-German army fighting back Napoleon at the beginning of the 19th century. Germany as a nation state hasn't really existed for that long.
Rather to the Prussian voluntaries and their homemade uniforms. Later on the colors were used by the first half democratic attempt at the parliament at Frankfurt in 1848.
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June 6, 2016 at 5:56 am
(June 6, 2016 at 5:52 am)abaris Wrote: (June 6, 2016 at 4:01 am)Alex K Wrote: While the black-red-golden color scheme of the current German flag has occurred already back in the middle ages, the choice for the flag is inspired by the uniform colors of the all-German army fighting back Napoleon at the beginning of the 19th century. Germany as a nation state hasn't really existed for that long.
Rather to the Prussian voluntaries and their homemade uniforms. Later on the colors were used by the first half democratic attempt at the parliament at Frankfurt in 1848.
Homemade, yes. But I wasn't aware that it was all Prussian?
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June 6, 2016 at 7:22 am
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(June 6, 2016 at 5:56 am)Alex K Wrote: Homemade, yes. But I wasn't aware that it was all Prussian?
These guys. The so called Lützower Freikorps.
As you know, Germany was deeply divided during Napoleon's time. Some states allied, some neutral and some opposed. The tricolore only became something like a German symbol during the "Deutsche Bund" after 1815.
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RE: Don't burn it, but lets make money
June 6, 2016 at 7:29 am
Those are the guys I was referring to. Wikipedia says "Das Freikorps rekrutierte sich ausschließlich aus Freiwilligen. In seinen Reihen dienten neben Preußen auch Bürger anderer deutscher Staaten, die dem Rheinbund angehörten oder wie das Herzogtum Oldenburg und die Provinz Westfalen von Frankreich annektiert waren.", and I don't know for sure, but suspect, that the fact that the volunteers came from various different parts of the country, has something to do with the use of the colours for the unified state - but you are way more of an expert there.
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RE: Don't burn it, but lets make money
June 6, 2016 at 7:34 am
(June 6, 2016 at 7:29 am)Alex K Wrote: I don't know for sure, but suspect, that the fact that the volunteers came from various different parts of the country, has something to do with the use of the colours for the unified state - but you are way more of an expert there.
It was much more of a banality. It was their uniforms. Black, golden buttons, red collar and butresses.
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