Dear Moderate Muslims

[WinterHold]

The prophet was told, to say this in case people asked where "God/Allah" is:

Sura 2
( 186 )   And when My servants ask you concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me  and believe in Me that they may be  guided.

God can hear you, either you prayed deep inside, or screamed loudly, he is the witness after all. Everything you do, he knows about it.

Though, life is a test. He told us about the whole story behind our existence here:

Sura 2
( 34 )   And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.
( 35 )   And We said, "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat therefrom in abundance from wherever you will. But do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers."
( 36 )   But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that in which they had been. And We said, "Go down, as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time."
( 37 )   Then Adam received from his Lord words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.


We are here on earth, because of this event that happened in the dawn of time. We must combat Satan's seduction, just like our fathers and mothers before us.
God knows what would happen,  but what would happen would not happen if we didn't commit it to make it happen now, won't it? It would be a shame if God claimed to be just, and actually judged us solely without us having the chance to act.

No, we hold out destiny in our hands. If we saw God, then the test is ruined. We have what it takes to know the right from wrong; to combat the devil. And we won't succeed without the Lord's help. But a simple meditation session will point to him.

Let me challenge atheism with a question:

-How did the parameters of the big bang, get their values, so the explosion produce the universe we see today?
The big bang is a mere function, after all. Who filled its variables with their values?

[YahwehIsTheWay]

Dear Allah,


People are suffering and dying down here. Some of your followers are running amok and murdering in your name. It's way past time for you to get off your holy ass, put on your big boy pants and show a little responsibility for the religion you created. 

And before you give me this "it's a test" shit, kindly consider that even limited, human beings in various professions like psychology have ethical limitations on the kinds of "tests" they can administer. When your test is starting to inflict needless suffering, misery, injury and death, it's time to pull the plug. 

It's a pretty shitty test anyway, since the religion you wind up with is statistically likely to be the one you were indoctrinated into from childhood. Thus, the people that "pass" as good Muslims do so only by accident of birth. 

Clean up your act, you deadbeat absentee father.

[GrandizerII]

Dear Allah,


People are suffering and dying down here. Some of your followers are running amok and murdering in your name. It's way past time for you to get off your holy ass, put on your big boy pants and show a little responsibility for the religion you created. 

And before you give me this "it's a test" shit, kindly consider that even limited, human beings in various professions like psychology have ethical limitations on the kinds of "tests" they can administer. When your test is starting to inflict needless suffering, misery, injury and death, it's time to pull the plug. 

It's a pretty shitty test anyway, since the religion you wind up with is statistically likely to be the one you were indoctrinated into from childhood. Thus, the people that "pass" as good Muslims do so only by accident of birth. 

Clean up your act, you deadbeat absentee father.

From a theological perspective, what you say is reasonable, except this is a challenge for other religions as well, such as Christianity. So not sure what the point of making this exclusively for moderate Muslims is supposed to be?

There are heaps of Muslims who distance themselves from the specific kind of faith that ISIL and other extremist Muslims practice, so that they implicitly consider their practice of Islam sort of as a distinct religion from the Islam of ISIL. Therefore, it would be meaningless to throw this challenge at these Muslims without doing the same for Christians and others.

[robvalue]

It goes to show just what a bad system "faith" is for learning true things. Two people can use "faith" on the same book, then one comes away killing people and another wants to be peaceful.

Of course, I'm missing the vital step that it's what people are told the books say that matters more than what they actually say. Oral myths are the religion, in its current form.

[GrandizerII]

It goes to show just what a bad system "faith" is for learning true things. Two people can use "faith" on the same book, then one comes away killing people and another wants to be peaceful.

Of course, I'm missing the vital step that it's what people are told the books say that matters more than what they actually say. Oral myths are the religion, in its current form.

Well, yeah, exactly. At the end of the day, it's more about interpretation based on personal and collective values and experiences than about simply what an outsider believes a religion or its scriptures is about.

When I went through the Quran a few years back just to see what it said, I saw verses promoting warfare and violence based on certain conditions (not much different from the conditions adopted by nonMuslims for warfare), but I didn't interpret any of these verses to the extent that certain violent groups of Muslims would interpret them. And that's how heaps of Muslims see these verses as well (not just me).

[robvalue]

Yeah, the problem is there's no way to test which is the "right" interpretation, or even whether any particular one is anywhere close. There are just interpretations.

[WinterHold]

Dear Allah,


People are suffering and dying down here. Some of your followers are running amok and murdering in your name. It's way past time for you to get off your holy ass, put on your big boy pants and show a little responsibility for the religion you created. 

And before you give me this "it's a test" shit, kindly consider that even limited, human beings in various professions like psychology have ethical limitations on the kinds of "tests" they can administer. When your test is starting to inflict needless suffering, misery, injury and death, it's time to pull the plug. 

It's a pretty shitty test anyway, since the religion you wind up with is statistically likely to be the one you were indoctrinated into from childhood. Thus, the people that "pass" as good Muslims do so only by accident of birth. 

Clean up your act, you deadbeat absentee father.

You phrase it, as if the only source of violence in the planet is religion.
The human mind picks up the easiest route most of the time; and in that violence is chosen as the first reaction since it is easy to carry on.

Though, the violence we see in this life is nothing. After death, when we wake up in the day of resurrection, the real life will begin; then suffering will feel real, joy would also feel real. Actually, the plug already gets pulled out and that is called "death".

Every night, the plug is pulled out also for a brief time. Scientists don't know why we sleep until this day.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32606341

Whenever the pressure exceeds a certain limit, we either go to our beds to sleep, or fall unconscious; or eventually: die. Now these are all types of "unplugging" acts.

Something wise :

[YahwehIsTheWay]

Dear Allah,


People are suffering and dying down here. Some of your followers are running amok and murdering in your name. It's way past time for you to get off your holy ass, put on your big boy pants and show a little responsibility for the religion you created. 

And before you give me this "it's a test" shit, kindly consider that even limited, human beings in various professions like psychology have ethical limitations on the kinds of "tests" they can administer. When your test is starting to inflict needless suffering, misery, injury and death, it's time to pull the plug. 

It's a pretty shitty test anyway, since the religion you wind up with is statistically likely to be the one you were indoctrinated into from childhood. Thus, the people that "pass" as good Muslims do so only by accident of birth. 

Clean up your act, you deadbeat absentee father.

From a theological perspective, what you say is reasonable, except this is a challenge for other religions as well, such as Christianity. So not sure what the point of making this exclusively for moderate Muslims is supposed to be?

There are heaps of Muslims who distance themselves from the specific kind of faith that ISIL and other extremist Muslims practice, so that they implicitly consider their practice of Islam sort of as a distinct religion from the Islam of ISIL. Therefore, it would be meaningless to throw this challenge at these Muslims without doing the same for Christians and others.

[YahwehIsTheWay]

Dear Allah,


People are suffering and dying down here. Some of your followers are running amok and murdering in your name. It's way past time for you to get off your holy ass, put on your big boy pants and show a little responsibility for the religion you created. 

And before you give me this "it's a test" shit, kindly consider that even limited, human beings in various professions like psychology have ethical limitations on the kinds of "tests" they can administer. When your test is starting to inflict needless suffering, misery, injury and death, it's time to pull the plug. 

It's a pretty shitty test anyway, since the religion you wind up with is statistically likely to be the one you were indoctrinated into from childhood. Thus, the people that "pass" as good Muslims do so only by accident of birth. 

Clean up your act, you deadbeat absentee father.

From a theological perspective, what you say is reasonable, except this is a challenge for other religions as well, such as Christianity. So not sure what the point of making this exclusively for moderate Muslims is supposed to be?

There are heaps of Muslims who distance themselves from the specific kind of faith that ISIL and other extremist Muslims practice, so that they implicitly consider their practice of Islam sort of as a distinct religion from the Islam of ISIL. Therefore, it would be meaningless to throw this challenge at these Muslims without doing the same for Christians and others.

The website deleted my reply again.

[WinterHold]

The website deleted my reply again.

It does that to me also, we should report this bug.
I use Chrome; I think it's a compatibility thing between the site and the browser, not sure but it seems like it.

Copy/paste your comments in a notepad when posting+ open the reply page in a new tab/window so that no back pages are there.