Orlando shooting/The non gun debate

[abaris]

What I dislike is 49 people died so the LGBT community can have a larger voice, that the leadership can push their political agendas by playing the victim card.

Which card should they play in this case? I mean, they are the victims, aren't they?

[Drich]

You mean like these guys?

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/these-7...-massacre/

Wasn't there something about throwing the frst stone? There's also that saying about stones in glasshouses.

7... that is the number of 'religious leaders' that support what has happened here.. of those "7" 5 belong to the same church. A 'church' made up of a single family and a couple extended members.

Are you really so stupid as to not acknowledge that all ideologies (religious or political) have extremists?

That's my whole point you idiot, Because this Imam will not acknowledge that this guy was an 'extremist' is because MAYBE what he did is condoned by the main stream!!!

[Drich]

What I dislike is 49 people died so the LGBT community can have a larger voice, that the leadership can push their political agendas by playing the victim card.

Which card should they play in this case? I mean, they are the victims, aren't they?

No dummy, what he should have done was denounce this "Muslim" Denounced his actions and said his actions are not supported by their religion. He should have also said we do not support nor condone this kind of evil on any level!

But he didn't.

Why?

Because he religion mandates those sort of actions! and rather than talk about it he is trying to make an agressive relgion out to be the victims here..

How hypocritical and f-ing blind are you that you point to "7" Christians who support this action but Ignore literally BILLIONS Who practice a Religion that mandates such action?

[The Grand Nudger]

-and so continues the longest running tq in af history.....

[abaris]

No dummy, what he should have done was denounce this "Muslim" Denounced his actions and said his actions are not supported by their religion. He should have also said we do not support nor condone this kind of evil on any level!

Which got nothing to do with what you just quoted - dummy. But you might look up the link I posted earlier. The 7 pastors celebrating the shooting. You will be as critical over what they have to say, I trust.

[downbeatplumb]

This appears to be just another day in America.
As a religious country it has people angry at things that shouldn't bother them.
A gay club should only annoy you if it plays the music too loud.

So, the Charlie Hebdo and the Paris shootings are what??? another day in France? France is not known for it's strong religious ties nor guns, and this very thing happened there twice... So then why do people who attacked those at a soccer game and cafe goers not seem to count as 'people angry at things that shouldn't bother them?'

No France is different.
Mass shooting after Mass shooting is to be expected in the US. In a few days we'll be talking about the next one.

[dyresand]

So, the Charlie Hebdo and the Paris shootings are what??? another day in France? France is not known for it's strong religious ties nor guns, and this very thing happened there twice... So then why do people who attacked those at a soccer game and cafe goers not seem to count as 'people angry at things that shouldn't bother them?'

No France is different.
Mass shooting after Mass shooting is to be expected in the US. In a few days we'll be talking about the next one.

Yeah... that's the sad thing about it... sandy hook that movie theater shooting the boston bombings and everything else 
we still haven't fucking learned a lesson....
argue for regulation the NRA yells you want to take away our guns in reality no no we don't want to take your guns away
we just want regulation to keep guns out of hands of irresponsible and ineligible people.

[Aroura]

I don't feel disconnected with it.  I feel sick and even cried a bit.  The world is full of messed up people, and it makes me terribly sad and horrified.

I'm tired of hearing that we cannot fix it.  Of course we CANNOT fix it if we don't try, or believe we can, and it seems the majority of people have already just given up or given in.

Don't get me wrong I really feel bad for the people and those they leave behind, what i feel disconnected from is this false sense of care and concern people have when again the bodies were not even identified yet and people were using this shooting to push their agendas

I guess you never noticed the agenda pushing directly after 9-11, because it was something you were a part of and agreed with.
I remember the forced patriotism. Flags flying from every car window and pasted in every store front.  
The government and half the preachers in America were using it to push their own agendas before the towers had even FALLEN.
It always happens.  You just feel disconnected this time because you are very tribal, and these people were not part of your tribe, nor is anyone pushing hte agendas of any of your tribes.  You are a sick hypocrite but too blind to see it.

[dyresand]

Don't get me wrong I really feel bad for the people and those they leave behind, what i feel disconnected from is this false sense of care and concern people have when again the bodies were not even identified yet and people were using this shooting to push their agendas

I guess you never noticed the agenda pushing directly after 9-11, because it was something you were a part of and agreed with.
I remember the forced patriotism. Flags flying from every car window and pasted in every store front.  
The government and half the preachers in America were using it to push their own agendas before the towers had even FALLEN.
It always happens.  You just feel disconnected this time because you are very tribal, and these people were not part of your tribe, nor is anyone pushing hte agendas of any of your tribes.  You are a sick hypocrite but too blind to see it.

I really started to notice it as well everyone is pushing a agenda these days and the funny part of it all if we actually invaded the right country 
and fought the right people instead of the wrong people we wouldn't be in this mess. Getting fed the false information that there is WMD's in the 
middle east should have woke anyone up you don't need to be a genius to know that have no such weapons.

[Thumpalumpacus]

No dummy, what he should have done was denounce this "Muslim" Denounced his actions and said his actions are not supported by their religion. He should have also said we do not support nor condone this kind of evil on any level!

But he didn't.

Why?

Because he religion mandates those sort of actions! and rather than talk about it he is trying to make an agressive relgion out to be the victims here..

How hypocritical and f-ing blind are you that you point to "7" Christians who support this action but Ignore literally BILLIONS Who practice a Religion that mandates such action?

As was said above, you missed the point. Simply because he was Muslim doesn't mean his faith drove his murderous actions. There's evidence it didn't, in the sense that he pledged allegiance to diametrically opposed groups in his own 911 call.

However, psychologists have long known about the mental stresses that can be caused by repression and self-loathing, and it's possible that those stresses, not his faith, that led him to snap.

Also, if you Christians didn't cherry-pick your Bible so assiduously, you'd be murdering gays too, just as you are commanded to by your god.