Orlando shooting/The non gun debate

[dyresand]

Yeah... that's the sad thing about it... sandy hook that movie theater shooting the boston bombings and everything else 
we still haven't fucking learned a lesson....
argue for regulation the NRA yells you want to take away our guns in reality no no we don't want to take your guns away
we just want regulation to keep guns out of hands of irresponsible and ineligible people.

Boston BOMBING... what does that have to do with the NRA?

Nothing but all i am saying is it comes to a point in this country no matter how many fucked up things happen 
when it comes to anything even a mass shooting there will always be the NRA and some other groups jumping up to stop common sense gun regulation.
No one on on either side is calling for a ban on assault style weapons or even a ban on extended magazines. Hell there was on report of a 13 year old
went into a gun show bought a rifle and ammo that is saying a lot on how one could easily purchase a gun...

[The Grand Nudger]

No one...really? Have you googled that, like..once....?

[Drich]

Boston BOMBING... what does that have to do with the NRA?

Nothing but all i am saying is it comes to a point in this country no matter how many fucked up things happen 
when it comes to anything even a mass shooting there will always be the NRA and some other groups jumping up to stop common sense gun regulation.
No one on on either side is calling for a ban on assault style weapons or even a ban on extended magazines. Hell there was on report of a 13 year old
went into a gun show bought a rifle and ammo that is saying a lot on how one could easily purchase a gun...

Your missing the point.

You are trying to use an event that has nothing to do with guns to impose your thoughts on gun legislation.

This is the very same thing the Lgbt leaders are doing, by claiming this was an attack against gay people when clearly the attacker claimed his motivations was an attack on the west for waging war on 'his people.'

This is a disgusting practice. You are changing facts to suit your own propaganda your own agenda. You are cashing in on the deaths and injury's of people who may not support or at the very least have nothing to do with your reasoning for (in this case) gun control.

How can you not see that the NRA has absolutely nothing to do with pressure cooker bombs?

Or do you not care?

Is stacking the deck in your favor (lying) considered 'moral' if your point is made and the change you want happens?

[dyresand]

No one...really?  Have you googled that, like..once....?

Well quite a bit but still

[dyresand]

Nothing but all i am saying is it comes to a point in this country no matter how many fucked up things happen 
when it comes to anything even a mass shooting there will always be the NRA and some other groups jumping up to stop common sense gun regulation.
No one on on either side is calling for a ban on assault style weapons or even a ban on extended magazines. Hell there was on report of a 13 year old
went into a gun show bought a rifle and ammo that is saying a lot on how one could easily purchase a gun...

Your missing the point.

You are trying to use an event that has nothing to do with guns to impose your thoughts on gun legislation.

This is the very same thing the Lgbt leaders are doing, by claiming this was an attack against gay people when clearly the attacker claimed his motivations was an attack on the west for waging war on 'his people.'

This is a disgusting practice. You are changing facts to suit your own propaganda your own agenda. You are cashing in on the deaths and injury's of people who may not support or at the very least have nothing to do with your reasoning for (in this case) gun control.

How can you not see that the NRA has absolutely nothing to do with pressure cooker bombs?

Or do you not care?

Is stacking the deck in your favor (lying) considered 'moral' if your point is made and the change you want happens?

I don't need to use a single even i can point out the obvious gun related crime i don't need to point out mass shootings. 


Okay you piece of shit i am not arguing to take peoples guns away we have the second amendment. Love guns hate guns etc i don't care.
All i am fucking saying is make gun laws stricter against people who have mental ilnesses and a criminal record and prevent them from buying guns
so no one gets killed and or hurt. Don't put words into my mouth you sick son of a bitch i have family member that died he was a just a kid
on the way home from the store and unfortunately for him wrong place wrong time he got caught in a drive by and was killed. And the reason
why i stress common sense gun laws it to prevent people who have ill intentions from getting guns. I am not furthering any sort of agenda.

[KevinM1]

Yeah, it sucks that a minority population is going to use the worst mass shooting in our nation's history to, you know, unify and try to get people to not murder them any more.  That's a dastardly agenda those LGBT folks have.

But, the war islam/isis is waging is not against that minority population, it's against all of us.

That's the digusting thing here. They are taking something that should be an afront to all americans and making specifically about anti gay sentiment.

How is this Not political propaganda?

If a political group is allowed to bend the facts to suit their agenda for any reason then things like truth are superseded by a "justifiable reason."

Thank goodness that Nothing in the History of man (1930's germany) has ever pointed to that sort of twisting of the truth for the sake of political propaganda has ever resulted in anything bad happening

What you're conveniently forgetting is that this guy isn't an ISIS fighter.  Remember: he claimed he was doing it for disparate groups.  Al-Qaeda and ISIS are enemies - pledging allegiance to both, as well as saying the Tsarnaev brothers were his 'homeboys' clearly indicates that he was just namedropping for the sake of it.

I mean, this guy used gay dating apps.  He visited Pulse looking to hookup.  It's pretty clear from his pattern of behavior that he was gay, felt regret/guilt about it due to his Muslim heritage, and hated them for making him feel a certain way.

It's a completely different scenario than San Bernardino, where the shooter was definitely killing in the name of ISIS.

This guy, Mateen, could've hit any soft target.  He scoped out Downtown Disney, which has absolutely zero security, but chose Pulse instead.  Why?  Because it was an LGBT club.  So, yeah, homophobia was at the heart of the shooting.  

And are you really trying to make the factual statements that:

1. This guy purposely targeted a LGBT club in order to eliminate a certain kind of people
2. This guy, despite being on a FBI watch list for several years before being cleared, was able to obtain a firearm with ease

Controversial?  You're trying to equate it with Nazi propaganda?  Really?

[The Grand Nudger]

What you're conveniently forgetting is that this guy isn't an ISIS fighter.  Remember: he claimed he was doing it for disparate groups.  Al-Qaeda and ISIS are enemies - pledging allegiance to both, as well as saying the Tsarnaev brothers were his 'homeboys' clearly indicates that he was just namedropping for the sake of it.

Actually..I think that it indicates ignorance.

[downbeatplumb]

No France is different.
Mass shooting after Mass shooting is to be expected in the US. In a few days we'll be talking about the next one.

ah, no.. we are talking about the police chief stabbed in his home (in FRANCE)

So this is non-gun debate about a mass shooting. Lets talk about world war 2 without mentioning the Nazis.

[KevinM1]

What you're conveniently forgetting is that this guy isn't an ISIS fighter.  Remember: he claimed he was doing it for disparate groups.  Al-Qaeda and ISIS are enemies - pledging allegiance to both, as well as saying the Tsarnaev brothers were his 'homeboys' clearly indicates that he was just namedropping for the sake of it.

Actually..I think that it indicates ignorance.

That, too.  Of course, Drich seems to be one of those people who focuses more on the "They hate the West!" portion of what the groups do than the "They also hate each other, and kill each other!" portion.  Al-Qaeda and ISIS, despite their surface similarities, are most definitely not allies.  Anyone claiming to be acting on the behalf of both doesn't know what they're talking about, which is exactly why such claims can be safely ignored.

[The Grand Nudger]

They don't know what isis and al qaeda are talking about...they know what they're talking about, lol..it's just hard to figure out what it was..because they're dumb.  

The man aligned himself, spectacularly, to islamists (who do, as it so happens, hate the west - they're almost defined by it).  That was clearly important to him even if a full understanding of the respective groups and their differences wasn't.