Orlando shooting/The non gun debate

[Drich]

Children are also in the mix, verse an atmosphere where people are seeking to 'sin'.

It would be so much better if they received a good hiding, isn't it? The irony lies in you not seeing how similar your beliefs are to a christian version of Sharia.

If this is what you believe then you have no idea what Christianity is.

Many bock at the idea that the gay people's families were claiming that their dead son or daughter was in heaven. For some of them according to what I believe and the bible clearly states i have no doubt this is true.

Can your 'religion of peace' or it practitioners say this if they were muslim?

[The Grand Nudger]

Absolutely.  The victims are -also- martyrs.

[Drich]

Again I have heard this central Fl imum speak on this subject several times and never once has he yet to identify this attack as a evil act perpetrated by a radical fanatic/s.
 
He simply says Islam is a religion of peace, do not rush to judgement, has held the media and politicians responsible for death threat on social media, and carefully worded the response 'those who practice evil do not worship allah' with the implication on the evil acts, but does not out right identify the shooting or the shooter as having committed an evil act.

my question is why? If someone like donald trump and hillary clinton can both agree on this being an evil act or even a terrorist act, then why is this man giving the impression that he is walking on egg shells?

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You -told- us he did.....granted, in the same breath as you claimed he didn't........not only has this been pointed out to you previously...you've had muslims speaking out googled for your lazy ass.

-and yet you persist.

Taken from the previous post:

There is a PSA on the radio stations now that has a nice sounding middle eastern girl telling us" Islam will NEVER be seduced by or side with Evil." However they do not say who in this situation 'evil' is. They leave it to stupid white people to fill in that blank for themselves, and idiots like you assume you are on the same page with them, meaning the shooter is evil. but in truth according to their holy book Homosexuality is that evil.

[The Grand Nudger]

You don't seem to have had any trouble figuring out what or who the imam was talking about,...you started this thread.  Is that because you aren't a dumb white person...or?

[abaris]

again moron THIS IMAM HAS NOT!!!!!!!!!!

There is a PSA on the radio stations now that has a nice sounding middle eastern girl telling us" Islam will NEVER be seduced by or side with Evil." However they do not say who in this situation 'evil' is.

So what do you expect them to say? Denounce their religion? When has a christian official ever done that? They're all non commital. In this case, one bishop, I quoted him earlier, said something on the lines of all religions being at fault here. Because of degrading homosexuals for a very long time. He's got my full respect for taking that responsibility and I would like to hear that from an Immam too.

I will never hear it from you, however, because you fully subscribe to homosexuality being a sin. Probably also the reason why you don't have a big problem with the pastors celebrating the act itself. Which is much worse than any Immam or other official not being outspoken about it being evil.

Going by all your posts over two years time, you don't shed too many tears over the victims either. So spare me the crocodile tears. You just want to put blame on the opposing field post number, which, as I said earlier, is pretty close to your own line of thought. Only the deities differ.

And it's probably not even a clear cut religious issue in this case. Surpressed homosexuality, mixed with a religious pretext is far more likely. This guy has been a regular at this bar for several years. And he had a gay dating app on his phone. Which he used, according to several witnesses, to hit on men.

[abaris]

If this is what you believe then you have no idea what Christianity is.

No, I believe that about you, not christianity at large. Going by your post record. You are not christianity. Just a pompous, and often vicious, little guy assuming to speak for christianity.

[Drich]

You don't seem to have had any trouble figuring out what or who the imam was talking about,...you started this thread.  Is that because you aren't a dumb white person...or?

I know who he is talking about as all imams have been briefed on exactly what to say.

Bottom line is their religion condones such action as it is one of the 3 path all Muslims have to take in front of them. They can no more invalidate the Jihadist path than their own as Mo-hammy said all three are needed inorder for islam to be viable.

So the carfully word their PA's and hope you fill in the blanks with your own identification of evil.

Granted in their faith they are allowed to lie (when all other avenues have been exhausted) but to date not one active imam has openly identified and condemned anything identified as a jihad/terrorist attack.

[abaris]

I know who he is talking about as all imams have been briefed on exactly what to say.

All Imam's, is it? Does that include every possible denomination of Islam? The ones who don't even talk to each other, pretty much as your own camp does?

[The Grand Nudger]

I know who he is talking about as all imams have been briefed on exactly what to say.

Right, so..... he did speak out and you didn't have any trouble identifying what he was talking about?  I'm trying to figure out who the moron is..in all of this....

[CapnAwesome]

It's not about a non gun debate, Drich. It's about a controlled gun ownership debate.

Noone can answer me why everyone should have access to an assault rifle, just to give one example. It's in the nature of these pieces to deal out more damage in a shorter period of time than any handgun. It's also about not every idiot having access to a deadly weapon. According to news coverage, this guy was already on the radar. Why someone like that could purchase his gun is beyond me.

If you've never heard a pro-assault rifle argument, you've only been listening to one side of the debate. I'm not commenting on whether or not those arguments are valid, just that to say you've never heard an answer to the question means you've never looked into it at all.