Orlando shooting/The non gun debate

[Gawdzilla]

The shooting was definitely good for business.  One gun shop has sold over 30,000 AR15s in the past week.  That's one heck of a job stimulus.

How fucking sick on top of being hypocritical. Every asshole who went out and bought a gun after screaming they want to keep them out of the wrong hands, is literally saying it is ok to profit off the misery of others.  

Can you tell me how many people that were "screaming" then went out and bought guns?

[Brian37]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...itive.html

He apparently had an affair with a HIV+ guy and wanted "revenge".



I think the guy is wearing a mask and had his voice disguised for identity. Not sure how believable this yet is but eh, was interesting to hear.

I could care less what his "motive" was. It was a combo of religion teaching him to be self loathing and mental illness, because it looks like now the guy was bi but had a lifetime of religious indoctrination telling him that he was broken. But the excuse with Newtown and Virginia Tech was mental illness. The common ground in every case was easy access to weapons.

The next white non Muslim who commits mass murder the NRA obstruction excuse will be different.

[Drich]

I'll bet that everyone wanted a jawbone of an ass after Samson used one to kill a thousand men.

Yea, way to defend a book of myth and stupidly think I am making a similar metaphor.

Ok Einstein, don't know how much more simple I can state this.

We have a gun death epidemic in America. But only a fucking idiot thinks the GOP/NRA has any interest in problem solving. I have seen their shell game since I was a teen and I am 49.

would it make you feel any better if it was a knife death epidemic or better yet a suicide bomber epidemic?

What you guys don't seem to get is 'broken people' are going to carry out their 'broken/hell bent desires despite what prohibitions you place on non broken people.

It's like you guys do not want to address the real issues of mental health, just pretend that a bandaid gun law will somehow magically make those AT WAR with society (whether it be religious or those who just hate their lot in life) sane.

Not everyone (even whole soceities/cultures) are mature enough to handel the 'freedoms' this soceity affords. Our freedoms become stumbling blocks for our weaker brothers. (as well as for ourselves.) In that we insist that inorder to maintain certain freedoms we must restrict everyone.

To restrict life is what terrorism is all about.

When did this country deem it necessary to punish the whole of soceity for the acts of individuals or groups? If an individual or group is the root cause then when did it become wrong to ban those people?

It's so simple that if, we for the sake of our foolish philosophy, we ignore what common sense tells us. then we deserve a shooting like this every week till we yield to common sense.

If a religion demands a 'holy war be waged' on non practitioners as one of it's 3 ways into heaven or as a way to atone for sin... then ban those of that religion for access to the tools that would allow a mass shooting. As it is very well possible that at any moment/crisis of faith could occur and demand that drastic action be taken. (this last guy is a perfect example of this)

Or we simply learn to live/deal with people who to destroy us. and learn that their are no easy fixes. that laws ONLY affect the law abiding, and the law abiding are not your problem.

Gun restrictions are a distraction from real issues politicians do not want to talk about.

[Drich]

again back to the non gun issue..

I've been made aware that most of you till mon or tuesday did not hear the declarations to ISIS this guy made to 911 and the local stations... Which is the reason I'm told the focus or reaction of the community was to make this a reaction to anti gay sentiment rather than an ISIS lone wold attack?

Is this true?

Because from day 1 this douche called a local news station and made his intentions known, along with club goer interviews where he was praying in Arabic and telling the people he was shooting that this was retribution for US attacks, and he is striking at the west in the name of bag-daddie and the whole lot...

Did you all know this was indeed a terrorist attack?

If no, does it not scare you what this adminstration is doing to control or lessen the impact of terrorist attacks carried out here?

The reason for this thread is because from day one we in orlando have heard this guys voice telling us this was a terror related shooting, and what I've been seeing is a rally/hate crime related support for the gay community. as if the lgbt leadership was using these deaths to legitmize their political positions. which absolutly sicken me. Why? because instead of acknowledging that what was done is indeed a legitmate part of this so called 'religion of peace' as away for this guy to atone for his sin. Meaning if he was gay or leaned that way, he could find atonement or a way into heaven by stomping out evil in his life, by killing as many gay people as he could find.

Why is this important, because most people do not know how volatile members of Islam can potentially be. Which is why I brought up the Imam's comments. He said they 'central Fl members of the muslim community will never condone Evil and will always do what is right' or something to that effect...

The thing is to them Homosexuality is the ultimate evil. The things the fringe of Christianity says they will do (think westbrough baptists) Islam has been commanded to do. so for Him to say 'they will never side with evil' and will always do what is right, means they support the shooter!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vev-OzHQy94

"Death is the sentence for homosexuality, there is nothing to be ashamed about."
"It is an act of compassion and the only way gays can enter paradise"

WHY WASN"T THIS STORY RUN NATIONALLY????

[Thumpalumpacus]

again back to the non gun issue..

I've been made aware that most of you till mon or tuesday did not hear the declarations to ISIS this guy made to 911 and the local stations... Which is the reason I'm told the focus or reaction of the community was to make this a reaction to anti gay sentiment rather than an ISIS lone wold attack?

Is this true?

No. Whomever your "source" is, they're woefully inaccurate.

"The community" views this attack through several different lenses, and has since the beginning. Whoever your "source" is, they aren't authorized to speak for me, nor, I'd wager, for anyone else here aside from themselves. Would you do me a favor and convey that sentiment to them?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Several Christian preachers have praised the shooter and even said that they hope the wounded die. It seems that the problem might be that religious nuts are crazy and need to be locked up for the public's safety.

Now that the gun dealers know that sales increase after mass shootings they might get the idea that they should recruit crazies to go on killing sprees so that they will get more business.

Did you hear about the crazy Florida Repub who's running for Congress? He is giving away an AR15 in a drawing as part of his campaign. It'll be hilarious if the gun is later used in a mass shooting.

[Drich]

again back to the non gun issue..

I've been made aware that most of you till mon or tuesday did not hear the declarations to ISIS this guy made to 911 and the local stations... Which is the reason I'm told the focus or reaction of the community was to make this a reaction to anti gay sentiment rather than an ISIS lone wold attack?

Is this true?

No. Whomever your "source" is, they're woefully inaccurate.

"The community" views this attack through several different lenses, and has since the beginning. Whoever your "source" is, they aren't authorized to speak for me, nor, I'd wager, for anyone else here aside from themselves. Would you do me a favor and convey that sentiment to them?

Well untill monday the FBI was with holding the information that officially tied the shooter to ISIS  per CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/us/orlando...-shooting/

and reuters confirms what I said about the Lgbt leadership using this shooting as a leap to political legitmacy.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florid...SKCN0Z40SS

(this is the offical transcript.)
https://www.fbi.gov/tampa/press-releases...b-shooting

So despite what you knew and when my question remains. Is it Because the FBI withheld this solid tie to terrorism did it cause the Lgbt community to automatically assume this was some sort of hate crime specifically aimed at gay people rather than a terrorist attack on the west?

Or is the LGBT leadership so despicable that despite knowing this was a confirmed radical islamic attack on the west (but specifically targeting gay people as a way for this guy to atone for his sin) that they would use the deaths of these 49 people as an empathy play to gain political legitimacy?

That is what I am asking douche, and as you can see it has nothing to do with you.

[Drich]

Several Christian preachers have praised the shooter and even said that they hope the wounded die.  It seems that the problem might be that religious nuts are crazy and need to be locked up for the public's safety.

Now that the gun dealers know that sales increase after mass shootings they might get the idea that they should recruit crazies to go on killing sprees so that they will get more business.

Did you hear about the crazy Florida Repub who's running for Congress?  He is giving away an AR15 in a drawing as part of his campaign.  It'll be hilarious if the gun is later used in a mass shooting.

and those preachers are highly publicized are they not? So again, why is the media trying to bury the local story of the Islamic Imam who condemned all homosexuals to death?

I've seen news stories on the tex. preacher and the westbrough baptists and everything they had to say parroted back with precision, but this guy gets a pass. Just look at the views on youtube. 88K which doesn't even account for a 1/3 of the people living in the part of town this guy came to visit... Now just imagine if a Bishop from rome came and made these declarations! every news media outlet in the country would run this story. Be here no one either knows or cares...

[Faith No More]

Wait...you admit that they were targeted because they were gay, but you're mad that the LGBT community is using this as an opportunity to highlight the prejudice and hatred they face?

Like most things, I don't think you've thought this through...

[Thumpalumpacus]

That is what I am asking douche, and as you can see it has nothing to do with you.

Then what community are you speaking of?

Perhaps you should learn use English accurately? And while you're at it, stop being a cunt.

A man can always hope ...