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Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
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 (July 3, 2016 at 9:04 am)purplepurpose Wrote:(July 3, 2016 at 8:57 am)robvalue Wrote: https://youtu.be/44ilZq3R900 Then you misunderstand what believers are arguing.  (July 3, 2016 at 12:16 pm)SteveII Wrote:(July 3, 2016 at 1:20 am)Irrational Wrote: Yes, you might want to give this a good think yourself. Maybe one day you'll realize morality isn't as simple as you make it out to be. The morality we go by is certainly not determined by something concrete from the divine. If slavery is wrong, how did God let you know? RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
July 3, 2016 at 1:18 pm
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2016 at 1:37 pm by Veritas_Vincit.)
(July 3, 2016 at 1:08 pm)SteveII Wrote:(July 3, 2016 at 7:09 am)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: Hahahaha exactly So neither of you read the part where I explain why that is a bullshit answer to anything? I assume she did, maybe you didn't. Let me put it another way: what possible value can morality have other than maximising the wellbeing of conscious creatures? What is the point of morality to you? Otherwise what is moral about morality? RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
July 3, 2016 at 6:40 pm
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2016 at 6:43 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
It doesn't -matter- what morality is about, but let yourself be led by the nose for pages if you like, lol. Either apologist nutball "x" thinks slavery is shitty or not. The reasons, or lack thereof, don't even come into play. Meanwhile, every single page of "you can't judge slaver-god because your morality is an opinion" is a tacit defense of slavery.
Hey, more power to them, if they hold the opinion that slaver-god is a good god. So long as they can be consistent with that I don't have an ounce of critcism for the idea. Go, shout it out on the rooftops, tell everyone about this oh-so-very good god.
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(July 3, 2016 at 1:18 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote:(July 3, 2016 at 1:08 pm)SteveII Wrote: Read Jor's post again. It seems she is not on board with your assertion. Morality seeks to define what is 'good' and 'bad'. You make moral judgments almost constantly. Kind of important for daily life. From Wikipedia: Quote:Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper. I was pointing out that while you think your morality is objective, it is not."Maximising the wellbeing of conscious creatures" is simply not sufficient to form a theory of ethical behavior. So if it is not sufficient to form a system of morality, what is it that you are basing your system on? Not science. What then? RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
July 3, 2016 at 8:15 pm
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2016 at 9:48 pm by SteveII.)
(July 3, 2016 at 6:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It doesn't -matter- what morality is about, but let yourself be led by the nose for pages if you like, lol. Either apologist nutball "x" thinks slavery is shitty or not. The reasons, or lack thereof, don't even come into play. Meanwhile, every single page of "you can't judge slaver-god because your morality is an opinion" is a tacit defense of slavery. I do think slavery is "shitty". So is death, disease, natural disasters, crime, emotional damage, etc. I just happen to think that God allowing them has a higher purpose. You are right, it can become difficult to remain consistent from topic to topic. I did not use subjective morality as a defense of the OT laws on slavery. It was after I ended my part of the discussion that I asked Veritas_Vincit about his statement "but morality is far better explained by evolution by natural selection." And then he said it was objective. He stumbled into that himself, let's see him dig himself out. (July 3, 2016 at 1:13 pm)Irrational Wrote:(July 3, 2016 at 12:16 pm)SteveII Wrote: You mean because you believe that morality is naturalistic and subjective, it is complicated. I agree. Because Jesus' message contained things like "love your neighbor as yourself", the beatitudes (Matthew 5), meekness, turning the other cheek, 'fruits of the spirit', etc. The path that Jesus wants us to walk has no room for things like slavery. That is why I feel confident in "backing into" God's position on slavery in the OT. |
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