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RE: Logical contradictions?
August 16, 2010 at 9:24 am
(August 16, 2010 at 2:53 am)Godschild Wrote: (August 14, 2010 at 3:47 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote: Godschild; you tie yourself up in so many knots. Either you dismiss religions because they are no longer practised or you don't. If you do then you have to account for why you do not dismiss all the evolutionary dead ends of Christianity including the original Jewish sect. If you do not dismiss religions on this basis then you have to explain why the 1000s of dead gods and their religions aren't equally as valid. Which is it?
The Jews still practice their religion and Christianity is still alive and well. The false sects of christianity have for the most part died out and the reason is simple they did not stand up to the scrutiny of Gods Word. As for all those dead gods how is it you think that they can have any validity against the living God of creation and redeemtion. No knots in my thinking or beliefs. I'm impressed with how you continue to avoid answering questions. So let me try again and I'll be really specific. Do you dismiss kosher dietary laws? Do you dismiss the practice of genital mutilation of infant boys? Or do you accept them as Jesus did? If you accept them aren't you in the wrong religion? If you do not why are you at varirance with the god you worship? Does the fact that Christians do not practice these rituals anymore make Judaism false?
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RE: Logical contradictions?
August 16, 2010 at 3:55 pm
(August 16, 2010 at 2:53 am)Godschild Wrote: The Jews still practice their religion and Christianity is still alive and well. The false sects of christianity have for the most part died out and the reason is simple they did not stand up to the scrutiny of Gods Word. As for all those dead gods how is it you think that they can have any validity against the living God of creation and redeemtion. No knots in my thinking or beliefs.
Nope, there are no knots. It's all completely irrational nonsense, but distinctly knot-free irrational nonsense, which is always a bonus. So, old religions died out because they 'did not stand up to the scrutiny of God's word'? Even though God's word has apparently let Hinduism exist all this time? Hmmm. You might want to rethink that one.
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RE: Logical contradictions?
August 16, 2010 at 4:46 pm
(August 14, 2010 at 8:01 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I'll take a stab.
Jesus was fully God, but God limiting himself to a human frame.
That would make Jesus "partially" god.
Quote: Whilst he was God, and fully able to act like God, he chose to be fully human in that he only exhibited human traits: except that he did nothing to limit his own humanity as we do in not realising our full potential.
Only exhibited human traits? I think you and the bible are at odds there...
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RE: Logical contradictions?
August 16, 2010 at 4:48 pm
What do you mean Void? Doesn't everybody have super-powers like Jesus? I know I do.
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RE: Logical contradictions?
August 16, 2010 at 4:53 pm
My parents had me inserted into a generic children's Christmas book when i was about 3 years old, in that book i did in fact have super powers. I also have had friends who have said i have had super-powers in their dreams ("Visions" for you loons), Would it be reasonable to say there is just as much evidence for my divinity as there is of Jesus's? I think so.
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RE: Logical contradictions?
August 16, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Who needs evidence on the matter of the miraculous superpowers of a messiah such as yourself? Faith is the way right?
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RE: Logical contradictions?
August 16, 2010 at 5:11 pm
There is evidence! LOOK AT THE TREES!
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RE: Logical contradictions?
August 16, 2010 at 5:24 pm
(August 16, 2010 at 5:11 pm)theVOID Wrote: There is evidence! LOOK AT THE TREES!
The trees can't be used as evidence! You know they've been schemeing our demise for years. They're just waiting for the right time to strike and kill us all.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
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RE: Logical contradictions?
August 16, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Quote:I'm not certain about this, but I believe Jesus is not seen as "full-man" by rational standards. He was, at the very least, only half. God(self) father + human mother.
No. As I have said before. concepts of Jesus were based on Jewish philosophy and logic, not on Western philosophy or Greek logic.
You need to stop looking at it with Greek logic and look at it with Hebrew logic.
With Greek logic it doesnt make sense at all. (Neither does multiverses and other things)
With Hebrew logic it is completely possible for this to occur, that Jesus was and is both man and God.
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RE: Logical contradictions?
August 16, 2010 at 8:05 pm
You really do not know what you are talking about, do you? It took hundreds of years for xtians to get their shit together about this question and did not happen until Constantine picked one group and said "YOU WIN."
Learn something.
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/heresies.html
Quote:Most Christian heresies centered around the twin issues of the nature of the trinity and, more specifically, the nature of Jesus Christ. The official stand on these issues (according to all the Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant churches) are as follows: God is a trinity, three persons but one essence; Jesus Christ was one person, simultaneously human and divine. That these two statements are not particularly rational was considered irrelevant. The trinity was seen as mysterious and a matter of faith, not reason.
What follows are eight heresies, ranging from sects that see Jesus Christ as purely divine, to others which see him as purely human.
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