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Converted2Islam on YouTube shares his reasons for apostatizing
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Converted2Islam on YouTube shares his reasons for apostatizing
I found it quite interesting. Ismaa’eel recited Shahada sixteen years ago and has amassed tens of thousands of subscribers over the years. Seems legit to me. Apparently he found it increasingly hard to defend Muhammad's "morality". "Allah allowed legalized rape" is one of his reasons for leaving. I know I would be so angry if the caliphate came took my wife as a slave and then raped her.

I find Muhammad's morality concerning. I can't imagine what it must be like to have all of those probing comments ask you to defend slaves, rape and woman beating. I would have to do so much "gymnastics" to defend Muhammad.

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RE: Converted2Islam on YouTube shares his reasons for apostatizing
That is very interesting, thanks for sharing.

I'd like to see more of this. People leaving a religion because it's immoral, regardless of whether it's "true".

There's no way I'd defend crap like this either. If God wants me to consider the horrible stuff in religion to be moral, he can get lost.
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RE: Converted2Islam on YouTube shares his reasons for apostatizing
(July 17, 2016 at 6:30 am)robvalue Wrote: That is very interesting, thanks for sharing.

I'd like to see more of this. People leaving a religion because it's immoral, regardless of whether it's "true".

There's no way I'd defend crap like this either. If God wants me to consider the horrible stuff in religion to be moral, he can get lost.

He said there's going to be more. And if you look at his channel you'll find more, similar, videos. Before everyone was like "masha Allah, great Iman booster" and now they are accusing him of being an attention seeker.

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For those of us accustomed to the near universal practice of cafeteria Christianity and the attendant embrace of religious slackerism instead of just getting honest and LEAVING an irredeemably flawed faith, this apostate is quite a breath of fresh air.
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RE: Converted2Islam on YouTube shares his reasons for apostatizing
The most common defense I see of Muhammad is that he wasn't atypical for a leader of that time period, most of the powerful men back then had slaves, beat women, had child brides etc. Well that raises two obvious issues.

A. Muslims claim Muhammad was morally perfect, so shouldn't he have better morality then average?
B. We don't live in that time period.
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RE: Converted2Islam on YouTube shares his reasons for apostatizing
Exactly. If you have to dismiss what the book tells you as now irrelevant, why bother with it? Just look at it as a (very suspect) historical document, from which we might be able to examine what cultures were like at the time.
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OK. He left Islam. My guess is that he will now profess allegiance to another faith more to his liking. I put my dollar on Christianity.
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That would be a great shame.

I don't know why people who believe in God so often assume one of the current religions must contain some truth about it. They're all as stupid and obviously man made as each other.
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(July 17, 2016 at 11:17 am)chimp3 Wrote: OK. He left Islam. My guess is that he will now profess allegiance to another faith more to his liking. I put my dollar on Christianity.

Well I think the important thing really is that when Atheists say this sort of stuff online, Muslims tend to shrug it off, say that they are racists (?) or that they don't speak arabic and so they can't really know. It's a lot harder to say that about apostates, although from the comments you do see the normal idiotic character attacks.

I also watched a reply to this guy, which was absurd. It said basically that the rapes didn't actually happen, since they themselves aren't historically recorded. Yeah, we only have Muhammad giving permission for mass rape of enslaved captives, but not the recordings of the rapes themselves. He said it's not valid because it's only implied evidence. What do you think is the logical outcome of Muhammad and indeed according to Muslims, God giving permission for the rape of captives?
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(July 17, 2016 at 11:27 am)robvalue Wrote: That would be a great shame.

I don't know why people who believe in God so often assume one of the current religions must contain some truth about it. They're all as stupid and obviously man made as each other.

Well, LDS seems especially stupid to some of us, and that is by the already abysmally low expectations the other faiths have brought us to.


And then there is Scientology . . . .

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