Times up Hillary part 2

[bennyboy]

Well, you could always take to the streets and demand, I don't know, change?

I'm brown. That's how I get shot.

See, you just admitted it's all your fault.  Nobody told you to be brown.

[Tiberius]

Well, you could always take to the streets and demand, I don't know, change?

That's what Bernie did and he did influence the party platform. Under the present two-party system, the primaries is where you "take to the streets and demand change." I don't see where trying to do it in the general election is going to accomplish anything but get the most ideologically-opposed candidate to your's elected. As the Democrats have noted, GREEN is an acronym for Get Republicans Elected Every November.

We don't have a 2 party system. We have a multi party system. People who say shit like this aren't solving the problem of 2 major parties having all the power, they are contributing to it. Vote Green if you like the Greens, vote Libertarian if you like the Libertarians, vote whichever party you think would be best at running the country. If you vote any other way, you are failing democracy.

Given the absolutely shit choice of candidates this year, I predict third party candidates will get more of the vote. That may at least allow them to be in the debates, and possibly start a well needed reform of our election system.

[Anomalocaris]

No we don't.  we don't have have a multiparty system in which a two party problem needs to be solved any more than we have a gravity free universe in which a problem with laws of physics needs to be solved.

Assuming the act of pretending we operate in multiparty can lessen the stranglehold of the two party the system is like assuming the act of pretending that jumping out of a window is safe because there is no gravity would somehow soften the impact when you actually hit the concrete.

[dyresand]

Now matter how scandalous of a liar Hillary is, the sole reason she will win is because she is the only viable alternative to Trump. Right now, even if they put up a rock against Trump, the rock will win for that one single reason.

She needs the millennial voters and i doubt she would seriously even get enough even to win no one likes her.

[Cecelia]

Turn off Fox News, it's cutting off oxygen to your brain.

Apparently you haven't seen the latest round of leaked e-mails - about 20,000 new e-mails. You don't need to watch Fox News to know Hilary won by cheating. The DNC wants Donald Trump to be president. Young people are upset they had the election stolen from them.

dyresand  said they are  going to vote for Jill Stein on multiple occasions. That's not the sort of person who watches Fox News. Maybe my positive rep for you was premature because that's such an uninformed opinion, and is the sort of dismissive statement that will get even more people not go #JillnotHill.

Anyone who brings up Benghazi at this point is likely watching Fox News.  Especially since most Republicans I know don't even bring it up anymore (probably because they spent 2 years and 7 million dollars trying to prove Hillary was at fault, and still weren't able to do so).  Dyresand has shown in the past that he'll listen to anything so long as it's anti-hillary (including far right-wing website WND). 

The leaked Emails are DNC emails, not Hillary Emails.  And those emails aren't evidence of cheating, they're evidence of Bias.  Bias by the Democratic National Convention, not by Hillary (who would obviously have bias for herself, just as Bernie would have bias for himself).  There's a difference between Bias and Cheating.  And while it's disappointing that the DNC showed bias, that's a symptom of our two party system.  And it's not the fault of HIllary that the DNC showed bias (contrary to what some people like to believe).  The RNC showed equal amounts of bias (and you don't need leaked e-mails to discover that).  Our two party system has given too much control over our election system.  This isn't a problem that's going to be easy to solve.  We've given a lot of control to political parties.  People need to get involved with the political process if they want it to change.  They can't just expect to vote for a third party candidate, and say "I'm dissatisfied."  It takes a whole lot more than that.  They need to run for office, they need to push for reform, they need to CALL their representatives (Call, not e-mail.).  They have to get involved.  Make their voice heard somewhere other than the internet.  The problem is, most people won't do that.  It takes a Bernie Sanders or an Elizabeth Warren to get them involved, and it shouldn't.  Everyone should be invested in the political process without an exciting candidate up there.  Instead of focusing on 'our guy lost!" they need to focus on getting their political party to shift their agenda toward their political beliefs (which is why Bernie probably ran in the first place.  He wanted to shift Hillary left, and I think he's in part accomplished that).  We'll see just how well he's accomplished it when it comes time to the debate.  I know that most people think it's a bad thing when politicians 'flip flop', but a lot of the time it's just politicians actually listening to their constituents.  Which is a very good thing.  Sometimes it's pandering, and you do have to watch for the differences.  But the shift is what we want.  The ultimate goal should be to take money out of politics, and do away with our two party system.  It's not working, and that frustrates people.  But they still have to get involved if they want it to change.  Truly involved.

On that note, I'd absolutely vote for Jill Stein if she were a viable candidate. I'd vote for her over Hillary in a heartbeat. But she's not a viable candidate. She couldn't even manage half of a percent of the vote last time. And I was one of the people who voted for her. Of course it wouldn't matter in the end if we couldn't get Green Party candidates in the house and senate.

[Whateverist]

Not just deluded. Fixated, paranoid.

Dyresand, we get you don't like Hillary. But embrace reality. It's Hillary or Trump. You don't have to like it but that's what we've got. Hillary is the nominee of the Democratic party and there's nothing you, I or aliens can do about it. Well, maybe aliens can do something about it but I wouldn't hold my breath on them invading the DNC and imposing Bernie on us. Accept it and move on.

Agreed. Think of it like this.  You're at a restaurant and you can order anyone on the ballot.  But after everyone has ordered they're just serving one dish.  That dish will either be the bland chicken of Hillary or the poison vomit which is Trump (to borrow from Bill Maher).  Going on record as having ordered the sea bass is just irrelevant.  No way will be served that.  Chicken or puke dude, that is what we're having.

[ReptilianPeon]

I hear you Cecelia: the Benghazi stuff is largely nonsensical. The GOP have plenty of real Hilary Scandals they could focus on. Trouble is, they are just as corrupt as she is.

It's, of course, very sad that the options at this election sadly, seem to Big Brother or Big Sister. It makes me so angry. There is a real risk Donald will become president and Hilary picks the anti-abortion, pro-bank-de regulation Tim Kaine for VP. Hilary needs to wake up!

[Neo-Scholastic]

Hillary is the nominee of the Democratic party and there's nothing you, I or aliens can do about it. Well, maybe aliens can do something about...

I thought all major world leaders were alien overlords.

[Minimalist]

Hillary can't get Bernie voters.

I refuse to believe that Bernie voters are that fucking stupid.  But, perhaps you are right and they are.

[Minimalist]

Perhaps Sanders has no idea who his supporters were, after all?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/2...asts-Trump

THOSE WHO VOTED FOR ME WILL NOT SUPPORT TRUMP WHO HAS MADE BIGOTRY AND DIVISIVENESS THE CORNERSTONE OF HIS CAMPAIGN. #RNCWITHBERNIE

LOOKS LIKE TED CRUZ WAS RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING. TRUMP DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONSTITUTION IS ABOUT. #RNCWITHBERNIE

TRUMP: “I ALONE CAN FIX THIS.” IS THIS GUY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OR DICTATOR? #RNCWITHBERNIE

Again.  Maybe you are right and Bernie and I are wrong.