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[Mister Agenda]

I'll be voting in Florida this year. It took me a while to get to this place, but I'll be voting for Clinton. At this point the only thing that matters is making sure Trump does not get the launch codes to the world's largest and deadliest nuclear arsenal. Nothing else matters; not the need for a viable third party, not Clinton's alleged crimes, not the fact that the Democrats are as much a part of the deluded ruling elite as any, not global warming, infrastructure decay, or the Supreme Court...none of it matters compared to the risk of having a delusional, narcissist, madman with his finger on that button. The nation, and the world, will survive four or eight years of Clinton. It will not be a picnic, she is likely to be as poor an excuse for a President and anyone in my life time. (That would be 11.)

My belief is that Trump in the White House nearly guarantees the fall of the US. Bad enough. But there are a hundred ways that such a fall could result in a nuclear exchange, and that is the end of our civilization.  The only rational choice is to vote for Clinton and hope for the best.

I ordinarily vote 3rd Party when a 3rd Party candidate is available, but if I were voting in FL, I would also vote for Clinton. FL is a swing state and Trump must not win. I've never bought into the 'we must keep the other side from winning at all costs' argument before, but Trump warrants an exception.

[Mister Agenda]

Thump, how do you think our stock market will do under the two candidates?  Thank you for your response, it was well formed and I did get a good laugh out of your Trump flushing the toilet remark.

I think if Trump wins the national election, the stock market crashes the next day. If he's ahead, I'm moving my 401K out of stocks.

[Divinity]

I was hesitantly voting for Hillary until I heard that during the Bin Laden raid some wanted to delay the raid because of a white house correspondents dinner.  Hillary apparently said "Fuck the White house correspondents dinner".  That earned points with me.

[Mister Agenda]

I don't like Clinton, but voting for Trump would be crazy. He might start a war if he gets a mean tweet.

manowar

Exaggeration, much?  

He literally doesn't seem to understand why we don't use our nukes to get our way.

[Crossless2.0]

I'll be voting in Florida this year. It took me a while to get to this place, but I'll be voting for Clinton. At this point the only thing that matters is making sure Trump does not get the launch codes to the world's largest and deadliest nuclear arsenal. Nothing else matters; not the need for a viable third party, not Clinton's alleged crimes, not the fact that the Democrats are as much a part of the deluded ruling elite as any, not global warming, infrastructure decay, or the Supreme Court...none of it matters compared to the risk of having a delusional, narcissist, madman with his finger on that button. The nation, and the world, will survive four or eight years of Clinton. It will not be a picnic, she is likely to be as poor an excuse for a President and anyone in my life time. (That would be 11.)

My belief is that Trump in the White House nearly guarantees the fall of the US. Bad enough. But there are a hundred ways that such a fall could result in a nuclear exchange, and that is the end of our civilization.  The only rational choice is to vote for Clinton and hope for the best.

I ordinarily vote 3rd Party when a 3rd Party candidate is available, but if I were voting in FL, I would also vote for Clinton. FL is a swing state and Trump must not win. I've never bought into the 'we must keep the other side from winning at all costs' argument before, but Trump warrants an exception.

I'm toying with the idea of voting Libertarian in the presidential race, not out of any particular affinity for the Libertarian platform (my sympathies really only extend as far as their opposition to ridiculous 'make-work' government programs like the drug war and their opposition to senseless and self-defeating meddling in foreign countries) but out of my decades-long withering contempt for what the GOP became after they successfully pursued their Southern Strategy. If I can help in some small way to raise the Libertarians' profile and bring them to the table on a national stage some day, it can only damage the party I'm sworn to hurt at every turn.

Of course, my ultimate stance in this election is to keep Trump out of office at all costs, and that might result in me voting for Hillary if the state polls merit it. I'm not really anti-Hillary anyway, but it's unlikely that my voting for her will do a damn thing one way or the other -- not in this reactionary shithole of a state. If I can possibly hurt my political enemies by casting a third party vote, I'll do it with glee.

That said, when Clinton wins, she and the Congressional Democrats had better take seriously the progressive reforms they've agreed to put into the platform. I don't expect miracles, especially if the GOP retains control of the House and possibly the Senate, but there had better be a real effort made to pursue these goals. Otherwise, the Democrats may find themselves in much the same boat as the Republicans were when the Tea Party was ascendant. And look where that got them. For my part, if the Democrats' "reaching out" to Bernie and his supporters proves to be just a cynical ploy to shut them up and get their votes, I will not shed a single tear if the party is eventually torn apart by increasing populist anger.

[Mister Agenda]

Pfft only two options my ass. Sorry but Johnson is 2% away from getting into the debates. But you don't want to hear about good candidates you wanna hear about the lesser of two evils >.>

What's good about a candidate who thinks shifting all of the tax burden of the state onto the poorest in society is a reasonable campaign platform?

That's what I don't get about anybody who's not a 1%er voting for a libertardian candidate, they are explicitly voting for a politician whose whole raison d'etre is to fuck them over because to use the terminology of Ayn Rand, they're "looters, if they weren't they'd be rich capitalists".

One, if he were elected, he'd never be able to implement his tax plans and two, it include 'prebates' to address the regressive taxation issue, so those of lower means would effectively pay less or even none of the tax in practice. And while there's plenty of criticism to be directed at Rand's writings, that's a misrepresentation of her person. She had a problem with welfare, but was for anyone who worked for a living without getting a handout. There's a reasonable issue to take up with that, but it's not hyperbole about 'rich capitalists'.

[Mister Agenda]

Canada, Switzerland, the USA, and New Zealand usually make the top 5 in estimates of 'most libertarian in the world'. Modern states are compromises of different views, there will never be a democracy governed by only one political view, only varying degrees of influence.

I don't understand what the common 'libertarian' thread is supposed to be among these countries. Fiscal/economic policy in line with libertarian ideas? Relative absence of restrictions on personal liberty?

You seem to grasp it instinctively. Those countries are known for both their civil and economic liberty. I don't know a lot about Swiss civil liberties, but I know Canada handily beats the USA in that regard and is a good place to do business.

[Jackalope]

Thump, how do you think our stock market will do under the two candidates?  Thank you for your response, it was well formed and I did get a good laugh out of your Trump flushing the toilet remark.

I think if Trump wins the national election, the stock market crashes the next day. If he's ahead, I'm moving my 401K out of stocks.

Same here. I'm going to be paying very close to the numbers come late October/early November. I already have taken a defensive stance by moving quite a bit into bonds and a little cash as a hedge.

[Crossless2.0]

I think if Trump wins the national election, the stock market crashes the next day. If he's ahead, I'm moving my 401K out of stocks.

Same here.   I'm going to be paying very close to the numbers come late October/early November.  I already have taken a defensive stance by moving quite a bit into bonds and a little cash as a hedge.

Me too.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I didn't call you a leftie. Trumps just talk and even you know that.

My point, and I think I laid out support for it pretty well, is that saying he could start a nuclear war is not an exaggeration, contrary to your assertion.