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RE: If the bible/quran/whatever was better, would you've remained theist?
August 28, 2016 at 12:18 pm
I was a rather poorly read Hindu. I faced a choice of reading more of the stories and legends of Hinduism in order to become better educated. But this left me with a quandary as to which stories and legends to embrace, and which ones not to embrace. The only real criterion I could imagine would be reason. However my beliefs were based on intuition. If I were to embrace reason as the criterion of choice, it would have been at odds with the base of my religious beliefs. So I was faced with adopting a reason based approach to my religious beliefs. This signaled the end of those beliefs. I think if the religious scriptures were better, I would still have faced the same choice of what to base my trust in them upon. Once one gets to that basic choice, the appeal of reason is undeniable, and with it, the failure of faith.
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RE: If the bible/quran/whatever was better, would you've remained theist?
August 28, 2016 at 12:19 pm
Define "better."
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RE: If the bible/quran/whatever was better, would you've remained theist?
August 28, 2016 at 12:25 pm
(August 28, 2016 at 5:37 am)A Handmaid Wrote: I remember leaving Islam because I found out how absurd the Qur'an is. If the Qur'an/Bible didn't contain supernatural effects, but correlated certain actions/objects with god(Like, for example, fire), would you've stayed religious?
Yeah, I would leave Islam if the old bible (Ingel) was much better.
Because it was givin' to prophet Isa/Jesus by god. Was it not?
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RE: If the bible/quran/whatever was better, would you've remained theist?
August 28, 2016 at 12:46 pm
If by "better" you mean scientifically accurate, non-contradictory, reliable and verifiable texts then, yeah, I probably would follow them as far as my own logic and reasoning would allow.
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RE: If the bible/quran/whatever was better, would you've remained theist?
August 28, 2016 at 4:01 pm
I seriously doubt it. I think I just am incapable of the level of faith that is required for anything like that.
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RE: If the bible/quran/whatever was better, would you've remained theist?
August 29, 2016 at 10:33 pm
The Bible is just a record of prophecies that were given in particular historical contexts. It does not exhaust the Triune imagination of God which extends far beyond the historical context of the Old Testament and the wars of Isreal etc.
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RE: If the bible/quran/whatever was better, would you've remained theist?
August 29, 2016 at 10:35 pm
Primitive writings are the way they are for a reason.
Primitive men with very primitive ideas wrote them.
As we evolve, we begin to dismiss primitive ideas.
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RE: If the bible/quran/whatever was better, would you've remained theist?
August 30, 2016 at 12:00 am
I was first inspired to leave theism by John Lennon singing "Imagine". Does that get any better? Rock and Roll vs. Rock of Ages!
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RE: If the bible/quran/whatever was better, would you've remained theist?
September 1, 2016 at 6:12 pm
If the Bible was believable, I probably would have stayed. But it's not, so the point is moot.
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RE: If the bible/quran/whatever was better, would you've remained theist?
September 6, 2016 at 8:50 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2016 at 10:14 pm by Kernel Sohcahtoa.)
(August 28, 2016 at 5:37 am)A Handmaid Wrote: I remember leaving Islam because I found out how absurd the Qur'an is. If the Qur'an/Bible didn't contain supernatural effects, but correlated certain actions/objects with god(Like, for example, fire), would you've stayed religious? Thank you for asking this question, Handmaid. Assuming a particular religion "didn't contain supernatural effects, but correlated certain actions/objects with god(Like, for example, fire)" (A Handmaid), then I would still have the following questions.
First, is human reason (logical correlations, scientific laws etc.) the only valid way of interpreting reality? Second, why must something that doesn't conform to our understanding of the universe be classified as supernatural and equated with divinity: perhaps what we call 'supernatural' and 'deity' is simply another way for different lifeforms to exist? As a result of my inability to answer these questions, I could not in good conscience be a practitioner of a religious faith. In addition, It would be close-minded of me to put all my stock in human reason, because IMO, it seems arrogant to assume the universe can be understood solely through a humanistic, rational mindset. Perhaps a different life-form (non-deity) has a simpler and better way of understanding things.
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