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Part on Feminisim.
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(September 9, 2016 at 10:37 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Uhm... Is this supposed to be a poem, or something? Hey, junior - perhaps you should leave heavy subjects like rape for after you've lived a little, when you have some idea about stuff. You're really spewing cringe-worthy sh*t right here. Just a thought. I know that at your age it's cool and exhilarating to be able to express your opinion. But what you should take into account, is that at your age most of your opinions are uninformed and wrong. You should make fewer unsubstantiated assertions and read more, just because you recon you have something figured out - doesn't make it so.

"No one can do anything about rape"? What are you talking about? We can do things about rape and we're doing them. Part of it is deconstructing the sexist fantasies, that are still being imprinted on young people's minds by conservative patriarchal parts of society.

And as for being protected - everyone, male or female needs protection - that's why we have laws, the police, judges, the military and so on. No, men don't "defend themselves" - we need those same protection women do. Seriously - time to start growing up and forget the silly fairy-tales about knights and princesses - that's not how the world works. If you're a man and get sh*t kicked out of you - the police is obliged to defend you. The idea of feminism (not "feminism", whatever you think that is) in relation to violence and rape - is that woman beaten, or raped by her husband should be allowed the same protection, as any citizen, who's being victimized by another. Which is not always the case, since many backward parts of certain societies still consider violence against women (or children) as tolerable, if not outright acceptable.

I have no idea what you mean by "We can't do things sometimes. That's okay." Yeah, sure - that's what Martin Luther King should have told the black people... "Sorry, guys - there will always be racism. Nothing anyone can do about it. It's okay. Go home and try to stay away from angry white people with ropes and burning crosses."

Wow that first paragraph is cringy as fuck. Granted the op isn't the most coherent but dismissing his argument with no evidence, because he is young is just cringy as a fuck.


As for men getting the same protection under the law, bullshit. In a lot of states and countries including isreal and India the only way a woman can ever be charged with rape is if is an accomplice to a man. I can tell you from experience that male victims of sexual assault are treated as a punchline.

There is also the Duluth model which is now law where the police are trained to see the male as the perpetrater in domestic situations, hence in places like england where they have to take some one right away it is nearly always the man. Again the work of feminists.

Now let me ask this, what is feminisms solution for the treatment of women in more backwards places? How does feminism propose we tackle those issues? I know how I would, but what does feminism propose? The reason I ask is because a lot of those countries are Muslim, and I have seen feminists expend great effort defending Islam.

Now for your last point. I actually think your both right. There are things you can do and teach people that will reduce rape. IE don't leave your drink unattended at parties. The real question is how far are you willing to go. For example, as long as you have freedom of thought, you will have racist people.

Likewise I am certainly anti-rape and I do have reforms I would like to see to help rape victims, but I not willing to give up my right to the presumption of innocence or the right to a trial by a jury of my peers. Before you laugh, feminists in new Zealand tried to set up a Inquisitorial justice system for rape victims. And they want the same thing here in Canada in light of the ghomeshi trial.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
(September 15, 2016 at 11:54 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Wow that first paragraph is cringy as fuck. Granted the op isn't the most coherent but dismissing his argument with no evidence, because he is young is just cringy as a fuck. [...]

Argument? What argument?

(September 15, 2016 at 11:54 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: As for men getting the same protection under the law, bullshit. In a lot of states and countries including isreal and India the only way a woman can ever be charged with rape is if is an accomplice to a man. I can tell you from experience that male victims of sexual assault are treated as a punchline.

And that's the fault of... feminists? Women? I'm not sure what your point is. Sexism is a problem, that doesn't make feminism in any way invalid.

(September 15, 2016 at 11:54 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: There is also the Duluth model which is now law where the police are trained to see the male as the perpetrater in domestic situations, hence in places like england where they have to take some one right away it is nearly always the man. Again the work of feminists.

Is it? Citation, please. I can't help but notice you're presenting no evidence. Also - aren't domestic abuse statistics heavily dominated by male perpetrators? Or are you saying husbands physically assaulted by women are as common as battered wives? And how do you know about police training?

(September 15, 2016 at 11:54 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Now let me ask this, what is feminisms solution for the treatment of women in more backwards places? How does feminism propose we tackle those issues? I know how I would, but what does feminism propose?

I don't know. Ask the Pope of Feminism, or something.

(September 15, 2016 at 11:54 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: The reason I ask is because a lot of those countries are Muslim, and I have seen feminists expend great effort defending Islam.

I don't care what you've seen. Defending islam has nothing to do with feminism.

(September 15, 2016 at 11:54 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Now for your last point. I actually think your both right. There are things you can do and teach people that will reduce rape. IE don't leave your drink unattended at parties.

Or perhaps - don't be a pathetic creep trying to have sex with men/women you just met? Don't stick your d*ck in crazy? Predatory approach to sex (like pick-up artistry) is not something to admire, or imitate? There are plenty of things dumb people could learn, in order to avoid a lot of trouble...

The real question is how far are you willing to go. For example, as long as you have freedom of thought, you will have racist people.


(September 15, 2016 at 11:54 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Likewise I am certainly anti-rape and I do have reforms I would like to see to help rape victims, but I not willing to give up my right to the presumption of innocence or the right to a trial by a jury of my peers.

I don't know who's trying to wrestle those rights away from you, but I don't believe it's feminism.

(September 15, 2016 at 11:54 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Before you laugh, feminists in new Zealand tried to set up a Inquisitorial justice system for rape victims. And they want the same thing here in Canada in light of the ghomeshi trial.

I see... But please, do tell, since you seem versed in this matter - that system they tried to set up in New Zealand - was it only supposed to be applicable to the female victims of rape and male perpetrators?
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I. Just. I.



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RE: Part on Feminisim.
(September 14, 2016 at 11:49 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(September 14, 2016 at 10:31 pm)Mamacita Wrote: And remember, kid. Don't rape. Don't ever, ever rape. Ever.

...and be damn sure where the line between consent and non-consent lies, and when in doubt err on the side of caution.

That ultimately is what needs to be imparted upon everyone.

Where did you get the idea that I want to rape!?

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RE: Part on Feminisim.
(September 14, 2016 at 6:57 pm)Jesster Wrote:
(September 14, 2016 at 6:50 pm)ScienceAf Wrote: My point was...


And yet you started out by saying "men already know" to not rape. Apparently not. Or do you think someone here is blaming all men? Stop trying to play the victim. You won't get any sympathy when you set up an argument against yourself that nobody else here is using against you. That's called a straw man argument and I won't play into it.

Well they know it's bad, so do murderers. But they don't care

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RE: Part on Feminisim.
(September 15, 2016 at 3:31 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:
(September 14, 2016 at 6:57 pm)Jesster Wrote: And yet you started out by saying "men already know" to not rape. Apparently not. Or do you think someone here is blaming all men? Stop trying to play the victim. You won't get any sympathy when you set up an argument against yourself that nobody else here is using against you. That's called a straw man argument and I won't play into it.

Well they know it's bad, so do murderers. But they don't care

I don't know how many times you are going to argue in circles here, but I will agree with others before who said you are not ready for this topic. I will try this one more time, though. Many people simply do not understand the limits of consent, and therefore rape someone while thinking they are still justified. This is done completely unknowingly simply because we do not properly educate people.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
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I didn't read most of this, but I'll just put my two slightly irrelevant cents in, not related to whose fault it is, instead, just an interesting thought. 

I think rape and such will decrease a lot when good education becomes world-wide, countries develop, the amount of idiots, bad cultures, bad religions decrease etc. Also when genetical modifying becomes a standard thing, but that begs the question, if we genetically modify babies to become good people, how much freedom will be left? There should be rules/laws for how much we're allowed to modify, but that's for an entirely other thread.

I hope I didn't upset anyone with this.
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
(September 15, 2016 at 3:39 pm)Jesster Wrote:
(September 15, 2016 at 3:31 pm)ScienceAf Wrote: Well they know it's bad, so do murderers. But they don't care

I don't know how many times you are going to argue in circles here, but I will agree with others before who said you are not ready for this topic. I will try this one more time, though. Many people simply do not understand the limits of consent, and therefore rape someone while thinking they are still justified. This is done completely unknowingly simply because we do not properly educate people.

Oh, shit.
That's fuck in right, in America there's abstence only and people don't know how to use birth control and they're all religious and do shit that leads to rape because of it 

Well fine, I'll stop because this isn't going anywhere.
But then we teach people respect and love and consent.

But why doesn't the u.s do shit and open more schools? 
I'll research that later. 

Ah, saying research sounds cringey.

Look, I had no bad intentions and I hope you understand what I mean.

Is sorry going to do anything? 
Probably not, impressions last.
But sorry anyway.

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RE: Part on Feminisim.
(September 10, 2016 at 9:01 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: Is rape really going up though, or is it just that women feel more empowered to report it now?

QFVVP (Quoted For Very Valid Point).
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RE: Part on Feminisim.
Oh and still learn to defend your self, I don't knoe, but I plan to.
It's not bad to learn a bit for extra protection

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