Do you see any benefits to religious faith?

[Arkilogue]

To be honest, I think you should apologize to me for having to read the atrocity you presented as a counter argument.

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To address the OP again:

I'm not aware of any benefit of religion that can't be achieved as well as, if not better, by other means.

I view it as the equivalent of being drunk (I know this isn't an original thought). Sure. I could cope with life better too if I gave in to the bottle. Is it a good idea? No.

Is the meditation of Buddhism like "getting drunk"?

I see many here with the impression that "religion" is a set of beliefs with no practice, and perhaps that is what it has degenerated down to and lost it's meanings.

Just like the degeneration of the meaning of the word faith.

[robvalue]

To address the OP again:

I'm not aware of any benefit of religion that can't be achieved as well as, if not better, by other means.

I view it as the equivalent of being drunk (I know this isn't an original thought). Sure. I could cope with life better too if I gave in to the bottle. Is it a good idea? No.

Peace with death and loss of loved ones?

I have achieved peace perfectly well. I remember reading that ideas about loved ones still being somehow alive after death can actually stifle the grieving process.

Even if religion could help here, which it wouldn't, it would still be the equivalent of getting drunk to drown my problems.

[Arkilogue]

Peace with death and loss of loved ones?

I have achieved peace perfectly well. I remember reading that ideas about loved ones still being somehow alive after death can actually stifle the grieving process.

Even if religion could help here, which it wouldn't, it would still be the equivalent of getting drunk to drown my problems.

Interesting. I was about to say "I wonder if the same would be reported to those who talk to the departed at their grave stone." but I remembered Christians are forbidden to have any kind of contact with "the dead" as well as the bible saying "the dead know nothing"

It all depends how you use alcohol, you can get drunk, or clean wounds and sterilize tools.
So it is with most things, it's benefit or detriment is in how you use it.

[robvalue]

Well I wouldn't presume to tell others how they are feeling. I'm saying that idea that you can't achieve peace, without resorting to woo, is flawed.

[Arkilogue]

Well I wouldn't presume to tell others how they are feeling. I'm saying that idea that you can't achieve peace, without resorting to woo, is flawed.

One man's woo...



Protects another man's sandwich.



Could have used a ziploc bag just the same...



What does it matter what a person believes if the practice of it produces no harm and even some benefits?

[Pat Mustard]

I wonder when the word "faith" came to mean man made belief? Because it's not defined that way in the bible...and in the loss of meaning, it has lost it's function.

Faith always was the word for man made beliefs. Man created god after all. Faith applied to worship of Thor, turns out he's man made, faith applied to worship of Aphrodite/Venus, turns out she's man made, faith apllys to worship of yhwh, any rading of the bible will show that he's created from a melding of tribal Canaanite and Mesopotamian mythologies.

[robvalue]

Well I wouldn't presume to tell others how they are feeling. I'm saying that idea that you can't achieve peace, without resorting to woo, is flawed.

One man's woo...



Protects another man's sandwich.



Could have used a ziploc bag just the same...



What does it matter what a person believes if the practice of it produces no harm and even some benefits?

This is a separate question entirely. Are you conceding the original point?

[Arkilogue]

[Pat Mustard]

Faith always was the word for man made beliefs. Man created god after all. Faith applied to worship of Thor, turns out he's man made, faith applied to worship of Aphrodite/Venus, turns out she's man made, faith apllys to worship of yhwh, any rading of the bible will show that he's created from a melding of tribal Canaanite and Mesopotamian mythologies.

Wrong. All beliefs are man made, if you study them at all they closely reflect the prejudices, worries and structures of the societies which beget them.

I wonder if you noticed the irony of you using manmade beliefs to argue that beliefs are not manmade?

[Arkilogue]

Wrong. All beliefs are man made, if you study them at all they closely reflect the prejudices, worries and structures of the societies which beget them.

I wonder if you noticed the irony of you using manmade beliefs to argue that beliefs are not manmade?

I wonder if you noticed the context and usage of the word in the culture and language it came from at the time of it's use?

I'm amazing at your continued belief in your assertion in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary! Very un-atheist of you...


To be clear: it does not matter here if the is or isn't a God, the context of repeated usage of the word in the language/time of it's origin definitively state over and over that faith is not a belief made by man.

It does not matter that Superman is a made up character, he's allergic to kryptonite, not Samsonite.....it falls from the sky, it's not made in a factory. Get it???


But you can make it mean butterfly breaths and rainbow sharts if you really want to.