Tower of Bible and creation of languages

[Arkilogue]

Does your boyfriend acknowledge he's on a slippery slope in being the ultimate arbiter of what's right and what's (supposedly) wrong in the Bible ?

How do we know the prohibition against allowing menstruating women in church, for instance, isn't a VERY BIG deal to God ??

(or insert any of a seeming myriad of bizzaro does and don'ts in scripture there)

2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


Seems we have some math to work out on our own.

[Minimalist]

"Timothy" and the other so-called pastoral epistles are frauds.  Pseudoepigraphic trash.

[Arkilogue]

"Timothy" and the other so-called pastoral epistles are frauds.  Pseudoepigraphic trash.

....well ain't that a bitch... :/

[Minimalist]

Only to people who think that stuff is real.

[Jesster]

Does your boyfriend acknowledge he's on a slippery slope in being the ultimate arbiter of what's right and what's (supposedly) wrong in the Bible ?

How do we know the prohibition against allowing menstruating women in church, for instance, isn't a VERY BIG deal to God ??

(or insert any of a seeming myriad of bizzaro does and don'ts in scripture there)

Yes, he is a cherry picker

[Arkilogue]

Only to people who think that stuff is real.

But not to people that view it as a spiritual cypher.

[Minimalist]

spir·it·u·al
ˈspiriCH(əw)əl/
adjective
adjective: spiritual
1.
of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.
"I'm responsible for his spiritual welfare"

ci·pher
ˈsīfər/
noun
noun: cipher; plural noun: ciphers; noun: cypher; plural noun: cyphers

1. 1.
   a secret or disguised way of writing; a code.
   "he was writing cryptic notes in a cipher"
   synonyms:
   code, secret writing, cryptograph, cryptogram
   "information in cipher"
   
   • a thing written in a cipher.
     synonyms:
     code, secret writing, cryptograph, cryptogram
     "information in cipher"
     
     
   • a key to such a cipher.
     
2. 2.
   dated
   a zero; a figure 0.
   synonyms:
   zero, 0, nil, naught/nought
   "a row of ciphers"
   
   

Until someone can produce evidence that there is anything to "spiritual" beyond human imagination run amok I will continue to regard it as a cipher in the sense of definition #2.

[Arkilogue]

spir·it·u·al
ˈspiriCH(əw)əl/
adjective
adjective: spiritual
1.
of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.
"I'm responsible for his spiritual welfare"

ci·pher
ˈsīfər/
noun
noun: cipher; plural noun: ciphers; noun: cypher; plural noun: cyphers

1. 1.
   a secret or disguised way of writing; a code.
   "he was writing cryptic notes in a cipher"
   synonyms:
   code, secret writing, cryptograph, cryptogram
   "information in cipher"
   
   • a thing written in a cipher.
     synonyms:
     code, secret writing, cryptograph, cryptogram
     "information in cipher"
     
     
   • a key to such a cipher.
     
2. 2.
   dated
   a zero; a figure 0.
   synonyms:
   zero, 0, nil, naught/nought
   "a row of ciphers"
   
   

Until someone can produce evidence that there is anything to "spiritual" beyond human imagination run amok I will continue to regard it as a cipher in the sense of definition #2.

Quality of character is spiritual creation. Being consistent and reliable takes self discipline, it is not a product of momentary mental whimsy.

According to the bible, Jesus is the Son of God right? Basically God in a finite man form so goes the story....so how did he teach? Was he explanatory and literal all the time or did he mostly use the language cyphers of metaphor and allegory? Did Isaiah use similar poetic language? Yes, they did.

It's not to prove the bible is "true", it's to take a look at how language is used by the alleged people in it. And as the history of some of the events in the bible are turning out to be false, it leans even more towards being a cypher.

In fact, a really good cypher would include pitfalls and traps for those only looking to take it literally, either believing it or not believing it to be as presented. In this way I can look through the information from a different angle and see if new patterns pop out. They do to me and they are useful to me, but tools are only useful when you are looking for and need them.

[PETE_ROSE]

I've always looked at it this way:

1.  God wants everyone to believe and to be saved (says so right in the handbook).

2.  The way to learned how to be saved is a deep and assiduous study of the Bible.

3.  If 1 & 2 are true (ask any Christian, they'll tell you), then God would make sure that the Bible is accurate.

4.  Given 3, all translations of the Bible should read exactly the same to all believers and potential believers.  In other words, there should be absolutely no reasonable confusion over what ANY of the passages in the Bible say or mean.

C.  Since 4 is clearly not true, the Bible is no more or less to be sanctified and believed than the mythos of any other religion.

Boru

I am "any Christian". I would state that only your first assertion is accurate. The bar for salvation is set very low.

[PETE_ROSE]

Greetings,

You are probably familiar with this,
You are discussing with a Christian his/her Bible,
then you say for example, 'How can loving God command killing of babies?'
and quote this,
And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
...
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, sic. Numbers 31:7, 16-17

And this theist replies, 'But you know, the Hebrew words does not mean killing. It means giving sweet, honey-flavored milk to the babies!'
Then you probably feel stupid that you don't know Hebrew (as well as Greek and Aramaic).

So, it got me thinking, 'Why are we atheists? Because we speak all these stupid modern languages instead of just one godly language spoken in the good old times. So, many languages, translations, mis-translations of God's word...'
But, wait a sec, was it it God who confused the languages? Was it His intention to create atheists?'
And to watch Christians have arguments with Jews over the Almah word ?

But wait, there's more...

Isn't God also the one who has perserved his word, provided translation and resources like the blue letter bible to help even the dumbest among us to identify the meaning and intent of the Hebrew and Greek?

All we need to bring to the table is the slightest curiosity and only enough follow through to type in a web address and a book chapter and verse.

You do not know, because you do not ask. You do not ask because foolish pride told you, you already know. Then you get huffy because you are corrected???

This is what you douche bags do with 'proof' (Which is why God is not chasing after you all with signs and wonders.) You all trivialize, minimize and mock what you can not refute. "proof" is nothing more than a lazy excuse to live the life you think you want to live.

Because again apologetically, when you have been proven wrong concerning the nature of God... Look what you do with said 'proof' of your theological failures.

(there is no proof of God argument from someone who does not understand what I said here in 3..2..1...)

Well said Drich.